14 - Javier Mascherano

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Ritchie

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Our wage bill is just ridiculous as it is and constant pay rises don't help. The top players deserve it but even the crap in the squad are on stupid money. Masch does deserve a high salary but he's only got a couple of years left in him as a starter so we can't be offering him a long term deal on 200k a week or something stupid like that.

Just let him give us another couple of seasons while we bed in a replacement. The main reason he's worth a new deal though is his character is vital in the squad and he's the heir to Puyol. We can't afford to lose him just yet. At worst though we should keep him till his contract runs out.
 
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Stric

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Ritchie said:
Our wage bill is just ridiculous as it is and constant pay rises don't help. The top players deserve it but...
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That's exactly the problem. There's a slight difference between who our "top players" are in terms of importance/performance and in terms of wages. I understand it's a very complicated and delicate situation to handle and I myself have no better suggestion how to handle it, but I see that that's where the problems arise. You have a guy like Neymar who was bought with little top level experience directly from Brazil, but with a huge star status and marketing potential already, so naturally you have to attract him with huge wages. On the other hand, you have guys like Mascherano who don't have that celebrity status at all, but are equally or in some cases more important to the team, have a lot more experience, have been loyal to the club for years already etc. but they get paid much much less. So if you try to look at it from their perspective you can understand why in such cases they start feeling undervalued. It's a shitty situation to try to balance.

On the one hand, Neymar earning more than Iniesta is absolute bullshit. On the other hand, in market terms, it's expected.
 
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Ritchie

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Stric said:
That's exactly the problem. There's a slight difference between who our "top players" are in terms of importance/performance and in terms of wages. I understand it's a very complicated and delicate situation to handle and I myself have no better suggestion how to handle it, but I see that that's where the problems arise. You have a guy like Neymar who was bought with little top level experience directly from Brazil, but with a huge star status and marketing potential already, so naturally you have to attract him with huge wages. On the other hand, you have guys like Mascherano who don't have that celebrity status at all, but are equally or in some cases more important to the team, have a lot more experience, have been loyal to the club for years already etc. but they get paid much much less. So if you try to look at it from their perspective you can understand why in such cases they start feeling undervalued. It's a shitty situation to try to balance.

On the one hand, Neymar earning more than Iniesta is absolute bullshit. On the other hand, in market terms, it's expected.
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Real Madrid balance theirs a lot better.

Masch has probably been underpaid but he's 32 with I think 2 years to run on a contract, so that's not really the time for a payrise because in 2 years time he's probably done as a starter. Similar really with Iniesta now at 32.

The worst is when we make our shitty buys and put them on massive wages like Song so you can only get rid of them on loan.
 
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JamDav1982

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Ritchie said:
Real Madrid balance theirs a lot better.

Masch has probably been underpaid but he's 32 with I think 2 years to run on a contract, so that's not really the time for a payrise because in 2 years time he's probably done as a starter. Similar really with Iniesta now at 32.

The worst is when we make our shitty buys and put them on massive wages like Song so you can only get rid of them on loan.
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Real Madrid are not balancing their wages better.

They have a poorer squad on more money. In no way does that make the wages they pay better.
 
George_Costanza

George_Costanza

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salaries and bonuses should be kept secret. Everything is relative and our players won't compare their salaries to Madrid or any other clubs but they will compare it with their team mates and when their is a disparity between wage of a player in comparison to another especially that player is important to the team it will create so much problems. I'm speaking from my own experience at my work place.
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

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George_Costanza said:
salaries and bonuses should be kept secret. Everything is relative and our players won't compare their salaries to Madrid or any other clubs but they will compare it with their team mates and when their is a disparity between wage of a player in comparison to another especially that player is important to the team it will create so much problems. I'm speaking from my own experience at my work place.
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Players have agents and in some cases the agents will talk to each other,leak infos to media never mind the fact it is possible to have many players under same agents
In theory what you are saying is right,but in reality it is impossible in such high profile club like us
 
Barcaman

Barcaman

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Villa when he signed also earned more than Iniesta for example. And that signing was under Laporta. We were always careless with our wage bill.

Barca shouldn't be a place where you come for fattest paycheck. It's the sporting aspect above else. It's fucking Barcelona, not a dreary Manchester. Playing with Messi and being part of the best team in history of football should be no1 on their list.

There are players who took a pay cut or funded a part of their transfer. Mathieu and Suarez are last examples that come to mind. Those are the examples to follow.
 
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JamDav1982

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Bojan said:
Villa when he signed also earned more than Iniesta for example. And that signing was under Laporta. We were always careless with our wage bill.

Barca shouldn't be a place where you come for fattest paycheck. It's the sporting aspect above else. It's fucking Barcelona, not a dreary Manchester. Playing with Messi and being part of the best team in history of football should be no1 on their list.
If not, fuck them.

That being said, deserving guys like Mascherano have every right for pay raise. It's just a matter negotiating that first contract the right way.
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I think some pay back to the likes of Iniesta and Busi on this is that they get taken care of as they get older in a way those players transferred in dont.

Xavi was on a big wage when he left more than his ability at that point warranted looking at it in that way. Iniesta as well now is on big money and probably will be even when declining.

Xavi also got the pay off of his contract when he left.

Busi will get the same. Would guess he has known for years it will be a slower route to the top wages for him but when he gets there he gets taken care of as gets older;.

The reality is most of the players coming through the system will take longer to get the top wages but then they will get those wages for longer and be taken care of compared to players transferred in.

Not great to see lesser players come in for bigger money but as long as players are not leaving for money it is being balanced quite well.
 
Barcaman

Barcaman

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What?

It is not being balanced "quite well".
We couldn't afford Nolito's fucking wages. Nolito!

This board screwed over Lucho this winter. No two ways about it.
 
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JamDav1982

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Bojan said:
What?

It is not being balanced "quite well".
We couldn't afford Nolito's fucking wages. Nolito!

This board screwed over Lucho this winter. No two ways about it.
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Lucho screwed himself over by not asking for Nolito last summer when he asked for two players he barely used.

For wages paid and the value Barca get back on that there is not any top club doing better for me.

Whether Nolito could be afforded or not.

Edit: Reading that back it felt like a Vince McMahon rant.
 
Stric

Stric

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Bojan said:
Villa when he signed also earned more than Iniesta for example. And that signing was under Laporta. We were always careless with our wage bill.
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Just to be clear, I wasn't blaming any of this on Rosell/Bartomeu. I only took Neymar as one example. But anyway, yes, you're right.

Unfortunately some (most?) players will always go where the pay is better, so either we give in to their demands or give up on signing them.
 
Messi983

Messi983

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When talking about our wages you have to keep in mind we had to pay more than 50M in bonuses for winning the treble last season. Had we not won anything we could afford getting someone like Nolito.
 
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