24 - Eric García

[draconifire]

This was the best lineup Flick could have fielded.
You can't have a different lineup against Monaco, which is a decent team, better than Rayo Vollacano.
Did you guys forget how badly we were playing with Ferran as an LW? Against a team like Monaco, which plays physically and intensely, our midfield would have been overrun with just Pedri and Casado.
You put Eric and Casado with the hopes of them covering for Balde's lack of defense and Pedri's creative ability to make plays. Thats it.

10 times out of 10 Flick will deploy this. It doesn't matter how shit Eric is, we do not have fit players, he's the only option.

 

[Nazario1985]

Never liked him, but blaming him for what happened yesterday is lunacy

 

[Haraldinho]

Never like his serious face. Same for Ferret. They want to impress like look at us we are good because we came from Man City. Vafanculo.

 

[delancey]

In addition to everything that’s already been said, remember that Garcia had his back against the defenders, so he relied on Stegen to accurately assess the risk of passing the ball to Garcia in front of goal.

If the pass hadn’t happened, the goal wouldn’t have happened.

The only mistake Garcia made was his reaction after losing the ball. He prioritized a red card over going one goal down. These poor reactions (Aguero, Garcia) need to be reviewed by management, for they’re a reoccurring theme, sadly when it matters the most.

 

[Alik]

In addition to everything that’s already been said, remember that Garcia had his back against the defenders, so he relied on Stegen to accurately assess the risk of passing the ball to Garcia in front of goal.

If the pass hadn’t happened, the goal wouldn’t have happened.

The only mistake Garcia made was his reaction after losing the ball. He prioritized a red card over going one goal down. These poor reactions (Aguero, Garcia) need to be reviewed by management, for they’re a reoccurring theme, sadly when it matters the most.

I'd say sprinting towards the keeper to ask for the ball and then backing off as soon as MATS passes to him is also a mistake. If he hadn't backed off, he would have reached the ball.

 

[serghei]

I'd say sprinting towards the keeper to ask for the ball and then backing off as soon as MATS passes to him is also a mistake. If he hadn't backed off, he would have reached the ball.

Yeah, he was hesitant.

 

[delancey]

I'd say sprinting towards the keeper to ask for the ball and then backing off as soon as MATS passes to him is also a mistake. If he hadn't backed off, he would have reached the ball.

That’s a fair counter argument. I’d counter that by highlighting that Stegen still had the best perspective of the pitch, yet he chose to pass the ball to Garcia, despite the risk of doing so. Garcia moved so as to fool their attackers and allow for better options for Stegen, but that final decision to pass to Garcia is on Stegen.

 

[Alik]

That’s a fair counter argument. I’d counter that by highlighting that Stegen still had the best perspective of the pitch, yet he chose to pass the ball to Garcia, despite the risk of doing so. Garcia moved so as to fool their attackers and allow for better options for Stegen, but that final decision to pass to Garcia is on Stegen.

Oh I agree, Stegen is definitely the main person to blame.

 

[Co0ter]

Not sure you have played soccer before.....a lot of things are on instincts in football..you ve barely a microsecond to think and react at the same time...as a defender, wont blame him if his first instinct was to block the player and prevent a goal,hoping he was not the last line of defense. A lot of defenders get away with such and most times,their first reaction as a defender would be to minimise the impending danger first.

Keeper should have seen he was closely marked and was moving away already before passing to him.....

...and i am one of those who never wished he wore a Barca jersey again, .....but in this instance, it was 1000% on Ter Stegen.

I played soccer all my life, on a traveling team in my teens as well. Your teammate making a mistake doesn't justify you also making one. He's responsible for his own actions. The one thing you avoid doing as a defender is fouling in the box or as the last man. You do it as an absolute last ditch option.

Eric chose wrong. A red card at 10 minutes when it's 0-0 is always the wrong option. It doesn't matter if Mats set him up or he made the mistake himself, you have to do better.

 

[ZenI]

That’s a fair counter argument. I’d counter that by highlighting that Stegen still had the best perspective of the pitch, yet he chose to pass the ball to Garcia, despite the risk of doing so. Garcia moved so as to fool their attackers and allow for better options for Stegen, but that final decision to pass to Garcia is on Stegen.

That could also be, but how should ter Taliban know that? Yes, the other two options were indeed "better" - but we/ISIS play that ball in the middle a couple of times every game and this doesn't usually happen. After that red card half of our team got PTSD and crumbled - we have many really bad memories from CL last couple of seasons. Terrorist is far from top 10 goalies, but he isn't usually THIS bad. Garcia on the other hand is terrible and should not have started on DM which is one of the most unforgiving positions - Flick fucked up...

 

[Loki]

Oh I agree, Stegen is definitely the main person to blame.

The "potential" goal and the red card are two different things in my eyes. The blame for the "potential" goal gets MAtS. The blame for the red card and the lose of the game is on Garcia. Yes, MAtS made a mistake that probably would have resulted in a goal. But one goal down that early in the game against Monaco is nothing the team can't overcome.

 

[ZenI]

I just looked at the situation again on 0.25 speed a couple of times from different angles, Garcia clearly made the run towards Stegen and it looked like they had an understanding and just when Stegen released the pass Garcia changed his mind. Also, imho that wasn't a red and VAR should have been all over this - Monaco player suddenly laid down which tripped Garcia over which in turn tripped the Monaco player even more. It was a very questionable situation, same as Araujo's. Vardrid would walk right out of both situations without anything, trust me. Go look for yourself a couple of times...

 

[delancey]

That could also be, but how should ter Taliban know that? Yes, the other two options were indeed "better" - but we/ISIS play that ball in the middle a couple of times every game and this doesn't usually happen. After that red card half of our team got PTSD and crumbled - we have many really bad memories from CL last couple of seasons. Terrorist is far from top 10 goalies, but he isn't usually THIS bad. Garcia on the other hand is terrible and should not have started on DM which is one of the most unforgiving positions - Flick fucked up...

Would you have preferred Pedri at DM?

 

[Porque]

To be fair. Alot of refs are going to VAR and deciding that there is no foul and Mini goes down easily after a poor first touch and the ball getting away from him.

Vitor Roque and the ref thinks he miscontrolled and fell over.

Rudiger and the ref ignores it.

 

[delancey]

I agree that Garcia’s reaction after losing the ball was unnecessary. One goal down in the early stages of the game would have been miles better than playing almost 90 min with 10 men.