5 - Iñigo Martínez

[serghei]

Well, let's see what happens, and let's see how the team reacts on the field. Maybe in the light of these problems, we'll see a strong reaction from the core of this team. Our biggest problems last year were bad tactics and poor motivation at important moments. We should be seeing a lot less of that this season.

 

[JamDav1982]

Not now, but by the end of the window. If they fail to do that, they've failed at their job. If their excuse is that they made their move too late because they didn't see Neymar leaving then they're at fault, since every competent club should have certain players in their mind in case someone is considering leaving.

Without doubt more bodies need brought in bu I dont want to be paying some 150m+ fee for Dembele that some people advocate as just spending as have it.

Think it is quite clear there are players in mind but a very difficult market to sign top players in and despite what people seem to think it would have been very difficult to get Coutinho or Dembele at all this summer even earlier.

 

[JamDav1982]

Bartomeu himself admitted today they knew Neymar leaving was a possibility and that's why they put his buyout at 222m. Because, per his words, if he stayed they kept a great player, but if he left they'd get a lot of money.

He liked the double edge sword this situation gave him. So yes, Bartomeu/The Board did have a hand in Neymar being in a position to leave.

And knowing this as factual, they should have planned for the eventuality better.

Also, this team needed renewal even if Neymar stayed, and they have done very little to make it happen.

Think he is trying to claim as much control of situation as possible.

That Neymar contract was haggled for weeks and I would bet anything that the 220m was the influence of the Neymars against what Barca wanted and a higher buy out.

 

[Paul]

Board should be blame for not anticipating this Like what? Tap Neymar Sr's phone, The Wire style, and listen to him talking with Nasser about how much money they would get if they move? This was done by Neymar and his dad, setting up the move privately.

We aren't KGB to tap phones or interrogate people using torture, but we are just like any other entity able to realize absolutely everybody in the world from Madrid to Guangzhou wanted freaking Neymar in their dirty team. If not, they're just plain stupid.

As I said, when they put down the 222m they probably thought its unreachable, but as thing goes this is just plain dumb in this era where much of the money circulating isn't even of football origin, of course someone could pay such as sum, why? Those assholes in the gulf build skyscrapers and artificial islands and even finance terrorism, how the hell can't they pay half a billion to secure the potential nr. 1 sporting star of the world in the next 5-10 years?

 

[DonAK]

Not true. Blamed the board for not signing Bernardo. Blamed the board for giving too much money for our aging players, and paying a fortune for our superstars. Unaccepable to have such high wages, compared to a more successfull Madrid side in the last 2 years.

But just because I blame the board for a lot of the things they did poorly, doesn't mean I'm going to join this Apocalypse brigade that sees us 'struggling to make CL places'. This sounds so lame to me. Season hasn't even started.

Is the team worse without a Neymar replacement signing and without a WC midfield signing this summer?

Yes or No.

Does the team's chances of winning major trophies decrease if the team has regressed personell-wise?

Yes or No.

That doesn't imply we'll get relegated, but it comes back to the point about the management and board continuously failing to provide our players and coach(es) with the best support possible.

You're saying that's fine, not their fault, market is crazy, they can't do much else than twidding their thumbs, essentially excusing them for their gross incompetence in improving the squad and the team's chances of major success.

 

[serghei]

Without doubt more bodies need brought in bu I dont want to be paying some 150m+ fee for Dembele that some people advocate as just spending as have it.

Think it is quite clear there are players in mind but a very difficult market to sign top players in and despite what people seem to think it would have been very difficult to get Coutinho or Dembele at all this summer even earlier.

I agree that the difficulties of the market need to be adressed more. It's pretty hard to sign top players with so many teams around who throw money left and right, and who just turn the gas on if they need a 200m player.

Is the team worse without a Neymar replacement signing and without a WC midfield signing this summer?

Yes or No.

Does the team's chances of winning major trophies decrease if the team has regressed personell-wise?

Yes or No.

That doesn't imply we'll get relegated, but it comes back to the point about the management and board continuously failing to provide our players and coach(es) with the best support possible.

You're saying that's fine, not their fault, market is crazy, they can't do much else than twidding their thumbs, essentially excusing them for their gross incompetence in improving the squad and the team's chances of major success.

For no 1.

The quad is worse. The team is not worse until we see what tactics do we use and how the players react on the field. Not always the best squad forms the best team. A lot of things like tactics from the manager, physical preparation of the team, players' form, team's motivation etc. play an important role in determining which team is better.

The squad is weaker though if we don't sign at least two players out of Coutinho, Dembele, Dybala, Griezmann, Mbappe, Hazard.

For no2.

Impossible to tell. How do you know that the team with Valverde and Semedo, and no Neymar is weaker than without Vaverde and with Neymar. You can't measure those things like that. The influence of a manager can be huge. We wil see after we watch the team in action.

 

[JamDav1982]

We aren't KGB to tap phones or interrogate people using torture, but we are just like any other entity able to realize absolutely everybody in the world from Madrid to Guangzhou wanted freaking Neymar in their dirty team. If not, they're just plain stupid.

As I said, when they put down the 222m they probably thought its unreachable, but as thing goes this is just plain dumb in this era where much of the money circulating isn't even of football origin, of course someone could pay such as sum, why? Those assholes in the gulf build skyscrapers and artificial islands and even finance terrorism, how the hell can't they pay half a billion to secure the potential nr. 1 sporting star of the world in the next 5-10 years?

Or Neymar insisted on 220m as knew it left options open is more likely.

 

[Sumlit]

Think he is trying to claim as much control of situation as possible.

That Neymar contract was haggled for weeks and I would bet anything that the 220m was the influence of the Neymars against what Barca wanted and a higher buy out.

You might be comfortable with all these assumptions and in giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I am not.

If the Neymars deserves criticism for the shady way they handled this situation, so does the board for putting themselves in this position before and after.

 

[DonAK]

Without doubt more bodies need brought in bu I dont want to be paying some 150m+ fee for Dembele that some people advocate as just spending as have it.

Think it is quite clear there are players in mind but a very difficult market to sign top players in and despite what people seem to think it would have been very difficult to get Coutinho or Dembele at all this summer even earlier.

What stopped them from signing a midfielder all summer? Could it perhaps be chasing Verratti and Paulinho?

What do you call that? A difficult market or bad planning or incompetence in trying to sign a player from a club that would never sell to us no matter what, and a Chinese Club pointing us towards a release clause for a player that isn't good enough for the club?

Would the club be in a better negotiating position with Coutinho and Liverpool Late June/Early July or a week before the season starts?

 

[blaugrana1987]

This board has been chasing ghosts for months now. Ill give them Semedo, that is a good buy even if it doesnt materialize into great RB. Its at least smart buy. I would give them props for selling Neymar had they had plan in place to replace him. I wanted that fuck out for long time anyway...

 

[JamDav1982]

Well you post heap of shit daily yet I would struggle to pick one thing that came smart out of your mouth. All I hear is Bartomeus anal echo.

Trolling again.

Just starting to report this stuff now. See if has any affect.

 

[blaugrana1987]

Is the team worse without a Neymar replacement signing and without a WC midfield signing this summer?

Yes or No.

Does the team's chances of winning major trophies decrease if the team has regressed personell-wise?

Yes or No.

That doesn't imply we'll get relegated, but it comes back to the point about the management and board continuously failing to provide our players and coach(es) with the best support possible.

You're saying that's fine, not their fault, market is crazy, they can't do much else than twidding their thumbs, essentially excusing them for their gross incompetence in improving the squad and the team's chances of major success.

Hes been doing that for years now. Literally boards personal internet defense force

 

[DonAndres]

Or Neymar insisted on 220m as knew it left options open is more likely.

So you're denying Farto's own words on the matter because it doesn't agree with your personal version of events. You require mountains of evidence to support any allegations made against your arguments, but you can claim that Neymar set the buyout himself to let him go easily.

Farto himself also said today that selling Neymar or keeping Neymar were both great outcomes, essentially a win-win. Is this "not true at all"?

 

[JamDav1982]

You might be comfortable with all these assumptions and in giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I am not.

If the Neymars deserves criticism for the shady way they handled this situation, so does the board for putting themselves in this position before and after.

Giving benefit of doubt?

I am saying he is speaking shit to try and make out Barca were not shafted and had control of situation.

The buy out clause was driven by Neymars without a doubt. They had this all as a long term option from lasts summer.

 

[JamDav1982]

So you're denying Farto's own words on the matter because it doesn't agree with your personal version of events. You require mountains of evidence to support any allegations made against your arguments, but you can claim that Neymar set the buyout himself to let him go easily.

Farto himself also said today that selling Neymar or keeping Neymar were both great outcomes, essentially a win-win. Is this "not true at all"?

Or his words from last week that no one can pay 220m for him without breaking FFP?

Of course he says they are both great outcomes what else expect him to say.