7 - Ferran Torres

[Porque]

The City asking price of Ferran isnt outlandish. Quite frankly why should they be asking any less when they have great young players in the hyper inflated EPL market.

What I will add is that being out of the 11 isnt really a big issue to City in terms of affecting values.

Pep is pretty meritocratic in his selections and players can go from bench to starter quickly. Look at Mahrez, Bernardo, Gundy in past seasons and now Sterling and Ferran.

 

[vuji_31]

Buy Doku and Adeyami for that money (almist)

 

[Masetro10]

Imagine thinking either of those would do better than Ferran Torres. This isn't FIFA and those guys have no chemistry with our current players. Probably end up failing like all the other outsiders. Torres kn the other hand plays with them in Spain NT and also being Spanish and young is kind of the MO we need for the future. Plus RW and ST are huge weak points right now considering injuries and all that. Go with what seems right. Torres, Pedri, Gavi, Fati, Busquets, Garcia, Alba. All Spain NT players. Notice Spain is playing so well lately too. Get Olmo too while we are at it and ride that chemistry.

 

[FCBarca]

I watch every game of City?s. That is not a claim. Do you watch every game of City?s? Obviously not.

In Stones worst season for injury, missed 14 PL games, he still did better than Garcia, who that season did not make the PL squad 16 times.


19/20 season. Stones Starting eleven: 12. Substituted in: 4, Injured: 14 His worst injury season.
Garcia Starting eleven: 8, Substituted in: 5 this is the season you think he did well.

If Garcia did so well at the end of 19/20, what happened the following year? Garcia Started 3 Subbed 3.
Stones the same year: Starting 22, Substituted in: 0

He formed a brilliant partnership with Dias.

The best thing for you to do, is when you are in a hole stop digging. Go and have a quiet sit down and a cup of tea, and we won?t say anymore about it.

Have a good evening. I am delighted Barca got 3 points.

Hanging your hat on ignorance is hardly proof anything other than the obvious. Look at the last 6 months of 2019/2020 season and how many starts, minutes and DNPs between Eric & Stones - there was a clear preference by Pep

If then you don't understand why Eric hardly played after he effectively declared his intention to return to Barca in June 2020 via Domenech and then proceeded to sign both Ake & Dias, it'll take more than tea to help you - I suggest meds

 

[JamDav1982]

City bought Ake to cover LCB behind Laporte and to cover LB and midfield at a push. They did not sign him due to Garcia leaving.

City bought Dias to be starting CB with Laporte as Stones was badly out of form and looking to sell him.

Garcia if stayed the would have been back up RCB behind Dias with Ake back up to Laporte.

Stones only ended up staying as he got a chance due to injuries and had form of his life from there.

Garcia played little as he was poor when given a chance at beginning of season. Not due to him asking to leave. It makes zero sense for them to reject money for Garcia then keep him but barely play him as he is to leave the following summer. Inane argument.

 

[Messigician]

🚨[ @ffpolo🥇] | FC Barcelona has the 'yes' of Ferran Torres and are negotiating with the English club for the winger. Bar?a knows that the operation is not feasible with money, and hopes to include Dest, Roberto, Lenglet, Mingueza, Coutinho, Neto and Umtiti incase Pep likes any combination of players.

Please just give us a transfer ban UEFA, save us from this embarrassment penny piching negotiations

 

[Mateka]

Hanging your hat on ignorance is hardly proof anything other than the obvious. Look at the last 6 months of 2019/2020 season and how many starts, minutes and DNPs between Eric & Stones - there was a clear preference by Pep

If then you don't understand why Eric hardly played after he effectively declared his intention to return to Barca in June 2020 via Domenech and then proceeded to sign both Ake & Dias, it'll take more than tea to help you - I suggest meds

You do not watch every match, I do.

You want to focus on the 19/20 season. This was the season when Stones and Laporte were injured. Dias ( should read Otamendi) is fit, who does Pep pick for an additional CB ? Not Garcia, he moves Fernandinho a DM to play CB.

The season when City got caught out with injuries to CB, out of 38 EPL games, Laporte missed 21 games and Stones 14. Yet Garcia only starts 8 and is subbed in 5. The two injured CB s both played more than Garcia.

At the very end of the 19/20 season , Garcia gets 6 games, starts in 4. Why? Because the season is over, Liverpool win the league by 18 points, so Pep plays Garcia.

19/20 Season. EPL
Fernandinho Squad: 36, Starting eleven: 26, Substituted in: 4, On the bench: 6, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
He played CB 27 times that season though is DM.

Otamendi Squad: 36, Starting eleven: 18, Substituted in: 6, On the bench: 12, Suspended: 0, Injured: 2

Laporte Squad: 17, Starting eleven: 14, Substituted in: 1, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 21

Stones Squad: 21, Starting eleven: 12, Substituted in: 4, On the bench: 5, Suspended: 0, Injured: 14

Garcia Squad: 20, Starting eleven: 8, Substituted in: 5, On the bench: 7, Suspended: 0, Injured: 2


If Garcia did so well at the end of 19/20, what happened the following year? Garcia Started 3 Subbed 3.
Stones the same year: Starting 22, Substituted in: 0 Brilliant partnership with Dias.

 

[Andresito]

FCBarca is just too obsessed with the La Masians. And will go to great lengths to defend them.

 

[Mateka]

FCBarca is just too obsessed with the La Masians. And will go to great lengths to defend them.

I agree. But I am a supporter of Garcia. I wish he had stayed at City. Smart move by Barca to get him for nothing. However, at City when you are choosing a CB , Garcia was last in line. That is not a put down by me.

Dias, Stones, Laporte, Ake, Fernandinho then Garcia.

 

[FCBarca]

I agree. But I am a supporter of Garcia. I wish he had stayed at City. Smart move by Barca to get him for nothing. However, at City when you are choosing a CB , Garcia was last in line. That is not a put down by me.

Dias, Stones, Laporte, Ake, Fernandinho then Garcia.

It's a dumbing down by you. Importantly a nonsensical point to include Ake & Dias when neither were there for the 2019/2020 season when Garcia first emerged as an 18 year old playing for Pep. By the last 10 matches of the season, Eric was being chosen ahead of Stones.

Arsenal (Eric 90 min, Stones DNP)
Liverpool (Eric 90 min, Stones DNP)
Southampton (Eric 90 min, Stones bench)
Newcastle (Eric bench, Stones 90 min)
Brighton (Eric start for 72 min, Stones bench & subbed for last 18 min)
Bournesmouth (Eric bench, subbed for 2nd half, Stones 90 min)
Watford (Eric 90 min, Stones bench)
Norwich city (Eric starts, subbed out at 46 min, Stones bench)
Arsenal - FA Cup (Eric 90 min, Stones bench)

Total min for last portion of season?

Eric - 613 min
Stones - 198 min

Repeating the same fallacies doesn't suddenly make them true

 

[Mateka]

It's a dumbing down by you. Importantly a nonsensical point to include Ake & Dias when neither were there for the 2019/2020 season when Garcia first emerged as an 18 year old playing for Pep. By the last 10 matches of the season, Eric was being chosen ahead of Stones.

Arsenal (Eric 90 min, Stones DNP)
Liverpool (Eric 90 min, Stones DNP)
Southampton (Eric 90 min, Stones bench)
Newcastle (Eric bench, Stones 90 min)
Brighton (Eric start for 72 min, Stones bench & subbed for last 18 min)
Bournesmouth (Eric bench, subbed for 2nd half, Stones 90 min)
Watford (Eric 90 min, Stones bench)
Norwich city (Eric starts, subbed out at 46 min, Stones bench)
Arsenal - FA Cup (Eric 90 min, Stones bench)

Total min for last portion of season?

Eric - 613 min
Stones - 198 min

Repeating the same fallacies doesn't suddenly make them true

You missed the point. Garcia was being picked for the last games in 19/20 because the EPL had already been lost to Liverpool by 18 points.

He was not good enough to be picked earlier, in preference to Stones or Laporte, who both had a bad season with injuries. Fernandinho a DM was moved to CB, why? Because Garcia was not good enough.

If he had deposed Stones and was number one CB why was he picked only 3 times the following season and subbed 3 times? Because he was not good enough. Stones was now fit and playing his best form with Dias. The talk is what of Laporte, nobody’s mentioning Garcia.

By Match 32 out of 38 Garcia had not made the squad in 16 games - did not get a seat in the bench 16x. He had only started 5 when City had major injuries to Laporte and Stones. Why so little game time? Why so little bench time? Garcia was not good enough. He plays some games at the end because the season is over.

Some may argue towards the end of the season Garcia was a preferable choice to Otamendi. In the last 10 games he only played 90 mins 3 x . Only started 3 x.

I want Garcia to succeed at Barca and Spain. I am sorry he left.

 

[serghei]

��[ @ffpolo��] | FC Barcelona has the 'yes' of Ferran Torres and are negotiating with the English club for the winger. Bar?a knows that the operation is not feasible with money, and hopes to include Dest, Roberto, Lenglet, Mingueza, Coutinho, Neto and Umtiti incase Pep likes any combination of players.

Please just give us a transfer ban UEFA, save us from this embarrassment penny piching negotiations

With that selection of players the deal is as good as dead. Only Dest would somewhat be a player Pep might fancy.

 

[Respekt_III]

[MENTION=28284]Mateka[/MENTION] - Shouldn't make a habit of arguing with delusional people.

 

[FCBarca]

If he had deposed Stones and was number one CB why was he picked only 3 times the following season and subbed 3 times? Because he was not good enough. Stones was now fit and playing his best form with Dias.

First he wasn't picked ahead of Stones, now he was picked ahead of him because the title was lost - you know little of Pep apparently, in addition to regularly trying to reframe a desperate POV

And again, you habitually fail to recognize that the 2020/2021 season was a fait accompli - Eric had already made his intentions clear to leave City in June 2020 and not renew/extend. From there, City signed 2 high profile CBs - any talk of where he stood in the depth chart subsequent to that ignores the fact the player made it clear he was leaving. Even in August/September of 2020 Bartomeu was negotiating a transfer for City that was shot down

The reality remains that both publicly via Pep's words and on the pitch, Eric was a valued CB that had usurped Stones in the pecking order at 18 years of age. Had he renewed I doubt Stones would still be at the club

 

[Mateka]

First he wasn't picked ahead of Stones, now he was picked ahead of him because the title was lost - you know little of Pep apparently, in addition to regularly trying to reframe a desperate POV

And again, you habitually fail to recognize that the 2020/2021 season was a fait accompli - Eric had already made his intentions clear to leave City in June 2020 and not renew/extend. From there, City signed 2 high profile CBs - any talk of where he stood in the depth chart subsequent to that ignores the fact the player made it clear he was leaving. Even in August/September of 2020 Bartomeu was negotiating a transfer for City that was shot down

The reality remains that both publicly via Pep's words and on the pitch, Eric was a valued CB that had usurped Stones in the pecking order at 18 years of age. Had he renewed I doubt Stones would still be at the club

I think we leave it there. I am not going to say anymore with you. We wanted Garcia to succeed, but he was back up to the others. Stones had a challenge with fitness and form one season, but came through it so strongly Laporte could not get in City’s team. Stones and Dias forming one of the best PL CB partnerships. If Laporte could not oust Stones, Garcia would have had no chance.

‘ It's no coincidence that Man City's recent record-breaking win streak has coincided with Ruben Dias and John Stones forming the most formidable defensive partnership in the Premier League.
Alongside John Stones, City have amassed the best defensive record in Europe conceding just 17 goals in 27 league games as a team. An incredible run of consistency, City went on a run of 16 clean sheets in 20 consecutive games at one point in all competitions. As a partnership, Dias and Stones have conceded just four goals in 17 games together, and have actually scored more goals than they've conceded - .with the England defender bagging four and Dias bagging one. From an average of 83.8 and 83.5 passes per game each respectively, Stones tops the pass success percentage with 93.7%, while Dias trails just behind him with 93.4%. Between them, they have conceded just 20 fouls this season with Stones conceding only four himself. In comparison, Harry Maguire and Victor Lindelof have committed 51 combined. 90min.com

Today Pep divides it equally between Dias, Stones and Laporte. Ake is struggling for games. Garcia would again, sadly, be struggling to make the bench.


I rest my case. I know it’s proven. So much so, I will let you have the last word.