7 - Philippe Coutinho - V1

Jombi

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reasons?

1) he is a huge upgrade to our current setup
2) he is 8 years younger than iniesta
3) he publicly said he wanted and still wants to join us

Very unlikely we'll get him when we didnt get him this season. The English clubs are only going to get richer with each passing season. That of course includes Liverpool regardless of CL. Seems like another pipe dream like the relentless Thiago Silva and Marquinhos quests.
 
We made huge offers because of the circumstances this summer. Next summer, we shouldn't offer more than 80m. He isn't the second coming of Iniesta and other options should come up by next summer. Personally hoping we're able to grab another Umtiti/Semedo.

Very unlikely we'll get him when we didnt get him this season. The English clubs are only going to get richer with each passing season. That of course includes Liverpool regardless of CL. Seems like another pipe dream like the relentless Thiago Silva and Marquinhos quests.

I think he's gone next summer. But more likely that he goes to QSG than us.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Our highest offer was 100m lol

We should go for a mix of young talent and current absolute WC players. Coutinho is one of those current WC we should go for.

What are the rules for non-eu player in France?
Anyway, PSG will have to pay 180M for Mpabbe next summer, can't see Liverpool accepting a loan + obligatory buy for him like Monaco did. so they won't have money for him

Honestly thought it was similar to how it is in Spain, but doesn't seem like it, or it's hard to gauge.

But you make a good point about them having to pay 180m for Mbappe. They cannot and will not make another big name signing unless they manage to offload many players for a huge fee.
 
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Jombi

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We made huge offers because of the circumstances this summer. Next summer, we shouldn't offer more than 80m. He isn't the second coming of Iniesta and other options should come up by next summer. Personally hoping we're able to grab another Umtiti/Semedo.



I think he's gone next summer. But more likely that he goes to QSG than us.

Yes, we should be keeping an eye on players like Lucas Torreira and Fabian Ruiz from Betis. We have Alena and Sergi Roberto as well. Chasing these pipe dreams seem futile.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Coutinho is not a pipe dream. He plays for Liverpool, not PSG or Real Madrid, or Bayern which are clubs that don't sell players unless they want to.

Liverpool, Juventus and others tend to sell their players if they request a transfer. The only reason Liverpool didn't let Coutinho go this summer was because we made our offer too late after he had already committed to staying and their Naby Keita signing got complicated.
 

Nothanks

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Lol you guys cannot use the trauma caused by PSG for every transfer situation

IF Liverpool miss out on CL, and Klopp is fired and Coutinho asks for another transfer request it's going to easily happen, whether its here or PSG idk but even liverpool players are saying they would of understood if coutinho left
having an unhappy player in the squad helps no one.

I think we got lucky with Umtiti and Semedo, hell semedo was our second option which was only attained because bellerin rejected us.
top tier players don't come easily, we need a proven and already able starter not another alena who will take minutes from alena
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
And we cannot just keep signing talents. I like Torreira and would like us to sign him, but we need a WC midfielder alongside him. The club got to compete currently too with Messi still at the height of his powers.
 

Jombi

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And we cannot just keep signing talents. I like Torreira and would like us to sign him, but we need a WC midfielder alongside him. The club got to compete currently too with Messi still at the height of his powers.

I disagree. Imagine if we had signed some "proven" player instead of Umtiti and Nelsinho. Lets say Benatia and Bellerin. Would it have been better? Signing young quality players (what some might call "talents"), is the way to go as they age over time and new young players can be signed, always making the squad a good mix of experience and young quality.
 

Nothanks

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Finding the next Umtiti and Semedo doesn't just happen

it's not a matter of "hey scouts go find the next best talent for less than 35m"
we lucked out heavily.
 

Jombi

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Finding the next Umtiti and Semedo doesn't just happen

it's not a matter of "hey scouts go find the next best talent for less than 35m"
we lucked out heavily.

It happens. Especially with a proper scout system. Actually scouts are hardly needed. Umtiti was the best CB in the French league together with Thiago Silva before we signed him. Its not like he was some 17 year old kid from Slovakia. Same with Nelsinho. You might call them "talents" because they dont play in England, but young players who dominate leagues in France, Italy, Germany, Spain etc are hardly difficult to spot.
 
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JamDav1982

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I disagree. Imagine if we had signed some "proven" player instead of Umtiti and Nelsinho. Lets say Benatia and Bellerin. Would it have been better? Signing young quality players (what some might call "talents"), is the way to go as they age over time and new young players can be signed, always making the squad a good mix of experience and young quality.

Easy to say but have also heard you mention a whole heap of names that turned out not to be good enough and would have impacted team negatively.

The simple answer is there should be a mix of up and coming and established players brought in.

That is how every top side going right now have built their teams.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
I disagree. Imagine if we had signed some "proven" player instead of Umtiti and Nelsinho. Lets say Benatia and Bellerin. Would it have been better? Signing young quality players (what some might call "talents"), is the way to go as they age over time and new young players can be signed, always making the squad a good mix of experience and young quality.

Except Bellerin is barely more proven than Semedo.

Apples and oranges.

We needed a young CB for the future with our already established CB duo in Mascherano-Pique and we needed a young RB since any established RB out there was impossible to get since....news alert......there are very few established RBs out there in the first place. Most of them are either young, had one breakout season or simply average/mediocre.

For the midfield however you need World Class players. Barca need to have their midfield improve right away. It need to be players who can add something and increase the quality of the team right away, not a project who's 2-3 years away from reaching that stage, especially since we already have a project in Carles Alenya.

Does this mean 25+ signings? No, age doesn't matter here, but it need to be someone with those characteristics. Is Torreira that? Not yet, but he might be that soon. I would sign him, BUT only along with a WC MF.

I don't care about their ages. It need to be someone who can add quality to the team and make us a serious CL contender right away.

That's why you need players such as Coutinho or Lemar who will cost more or less the same now. Not Fabian Ruiz or Carlos Soler.
 
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Nothanks

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All im saying is we buy an already established, entering his prime type of player

I'm not against bargain buys but we need a quick impact injected into the squad, call me pessimistic but I doubt we'll find another Umtiti / Semedo player that adapts so quickly for a couple more seasons.
if talent was found so easily everyone would be doing it.

IN AN IDEAL WORLD we would get a Coutinho type of player ALONG with some 21-24 year old midfielder whose hot right now in france/germany/whatever country.
 
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Jombi

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Easy to say but have also heard you mention a whole heap of names that turned out not to be good enough and would have impacted team negatively.

The simple answer is there should be a mix of up and coming and established players brought in.

That is how every top side going right now have built their teams.

Not really. A young quality player can still be "established". Thats not the point. But chasing players with only a few years left from rich clubs is not needed. Young, quality players from poorer teams will be significantly cheaper and that is what a team like Barca must focus on. Signing a dud for 10m euros dont impact the team negatively as much as signing a 40m old flops.
 

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