7 - Philippe Coutinho - V1

[Jombi]

Fair enough, and that is what I meant by saying you are young talents. And you have been right many times (and wrong in others,like everyone of us) so I get you have your points
But Coutinho is 25 and will be just 26 if he arrives next year, he isn't old fart going for last paycheck tbf. He is a player who should easily give us 5 or 6 years at top level. And he is an immediate upgrade to our offensive build up that we are in urgent need.
I hope we go for someone else, and I hope someone else will emerge who is younger and easier to get. tbh I don't see anyone so far who would give us same upgrade as him, may be someone else will emerge,we will see

I think any half-wit could do better than what our board has been doing. Most of our signings are massive flops, year after year. And we're stuck with these players. These people in our management are so-called experts. We almost never sign players that really prove to be bargains and miss out constantly, year after year. Thats unacceptable IMO.

Regarding Coutinho, I think he's a good player but breaking the bank for 26 year olds who probably wont give us more than 4 seasons at their highest level is not good business IMO.

 

[Jombi]

Sandro wasnt and isnt a bargain for Real or Barca as he is nowhere near good enough and although early days at Everton looks exactly that.

Such a great bargain is unlikely to end up at Everton.

Sandro would have been a terrible signing, isnt now and wasnt good enough when was at club previously.

Just because there are other more expensive wastes of money doesnt have any relevance to him not being good enough and Real would never have thought for a single second he a possible signing.

Sandro is rumoured to be on about 130k a week which as well which is a lot more than a lot of the Barca players who are said to be on huge money.

Irrelevant. 5m for a player on low wages (I would never advocate signing him if we had to pay high wages) is nothing and extremely low risk for someone who performed so well in La Liga. Such a signing would not in any way constitute a risk to our finances.

 

[JamDav1982]

I think any half-wit could do better than what our board has been doing. Most of our signings are massive flops, year after year. And we're stuck with these players. These people in our management are so-called experts. We almost never sign players that really prove to be bargains and miss out constantly, year after year. Thats unacceptable IMO.

Regarding Coutinho, I think he's a good player but breaking the bank for 26 year olds who probably wont give us more than 4 seasons at their highest level is not good business IMO.

Signed plenty of bargains in the past few years.

Flops as well but just wrong to say all been shit.

 

[JamDav1982]

Irrelevant. 5m for a player on low wages (I would never advocate signing him if we had to pay high wages) is nothing and extremely low risk for someone who performed so well in La Liga. Such a signing would not in any way constitute a risk to our finances.

Sandro was 7m and not on low wages.

It is relevant as paying 7m and giving a player 130k a week is a complete waste of money if the standard of Sandro.

Is a risk and basically could be argued to sign any half decent player in la liga that clearly is not of the right standard.

Sign him on a five year contract and committing around 40m.... For Sandro who has already been at club and was shit.

 

[Jombi]

Sandro was 7m and not on low wages.

It is relevant as paying 7m and giving a player 130k a week is a complete waste of money if the standard of Sandro.

Is a risk and basically could be argued to sign any half decent player in la liga that clearly is not of the right standard.

I argued we should sign Sandro if he is available for 5m and on low wages. So whats the problem? If that was unrealistic, then fine, dont sign him, wish him good luck in Everton if he has a fantasy wage there. If he turned out to be bad for us, then no problem, very little lost.

 

[JamDav1982]

I argued we should sign Sandro if he is available for 5m and on low wages. So whats the problem? If that was unrealistic, then fine, dont sign him, wish him good luck in Everton if he has a fantasy wage there.

Even if 5m and on low wages which was never mentioned in the past or was the case during his transfer rumours.

Wages were not mentioned at the time and wasnt seen as some kind of risk free signing was made out to be the type of bargain Real sign.

Where did you argue 5m and wages about him?

 

[Jombi]

Even if 5m and on low wages which was never mentioned in the past or was the case during his transfer rumours.

Wages were not mentioned at the time and wasnt seen as some kind of risk free signing was made out to be the type of bargain Real sign.

Where did you argue 5m and wages about him?

I always thought he had a 5m release clause. Thats why I mentioned him as a cheap option who would constitute very little risk. It goes without saying that wages had to be reasonable as well for it to constitute a low risk signing. Thats the whole point of such signings. If they perform badly, then very little is lost. Its not like some Arda Turan signing for 40m and a fat 5 year contract, who we cant get rid of, severely harming our future finances.

 

[JamDav1982]

I always thought he had a 5m release clause. Thats why I mentioned him as a cheap option who would constitute very little risk. It goes without saying that wages had to be reasonable as well for it to constitute a low risk signing. Thats the whole point of such signings. If they perform badly, then very little is lost. Its not like some Arda Turan signing for 40m and a fat 5 year contract, severely harming our future finances.

Seems it was around 6m so in the middle of what we were saying.

You never mentioned him as a cheap option with no risk and there was no mention of wages from what I can remember. It was him being a 'complete bargain' s soon as someone made up a rumour about Real being after him.

Big difference.

 

[Jombi]

Seems it was around 6m so in the middle of what we were saying.

You never mentioned him as a cheap option with no risk and there was no mention of wages from what I can remember. It was him being a 'complete bargain' s soon as someone made up a rumour about Real being after him.

Big difference.

Of course he is not a bargain if he demands very high wages, that should go without saying. If we had signed him for 5m on low wages, absolutely yes that would have been a bargain for a player that performed like he did in La Liga. Far better than signing some overpriced garbage player who would hurt our finances.

 

[JamDav1982]

Of course he is not a bargain if he demands very high wages, that should go without saying. If we had signed him for 5m on low wages, absolutely yes that would have been a bargain for a player that performed like he did in La Liga. Far better than signing some overpriced garbage player who would hurt our finances.

There was no mention of wages and all wages reported in press were never low and anyway you are changing the narrative to him being almost a cheap punt from him being a 'complete bargain'.

He isnt a bargain if he isnt good enough and you are trying to spin things and add things you never said at time.

However if he does well you would be sayig it was obvious at the time how great he was and I wanted him.

 

[Jombi]

There was no mention of wages and all wages reported in press were never low and anyway you are changing the narrative to him being almost a cheap punt from him being a 'complete bargain'.

He isnt a bargain if he isnt good enough and you are trying to spin things and add things you never said at time.

However if he does well you would be sayig it was obvious at the time how great he was and I wanted him.

Cant you see the difference between signing massively expensive flops and someone like Sandro? It shouldnt be hard for you. No "narrative" has changed. Maybe for you to understand, I should have pointed out that his wages had to be low for him to be a smart signing. There is no point in taking a risk at a player if we give them fantasy wages and cant get rid of them. It shouldnt be necessary to point this out to you.

 

[JamDav1982]

Cant you see the difference between signing massively expensive flops and someone like Sandro? It shouldnt be hard for you. No "narrative" has changed. Maybe for you to understand, I should have pointed out that his wages had to be low for him to be a smart signing. There is no point in taking a risk at a player if we give them fantasy wages and cant get rid of them. It shouldnt be necessary to point this out to you.

Signing an expensive flop is one thing and completely irrelevant to trying to justify a cheaper flop.

The narrative totally changed and you are making up things you said and said at time confidently he was a 'complete bargain' when he absolutely wasnt.

Sandro was never a 'complete bargain'' and would just be more money lost on top of more expensive flops.

You panicked and called him that the instant Real were linked.

Show me where you advocated Barca signing him. Cant remember that. Have feeling that is more made up bits.

 

[Jombi]

Signing an expensive flop is one thing and completely irrelevant to trying to justify a cheaper flop.

The narrative totally changed and you are making up things you said and said at time confidently he was a 'complete bargain' when he absolutely wasnt.

Sandro was never a 'complete bargain'' and would just be more money lost on top of more expensive flops.

You panicked and called him that the instant Real were linked.

Show me where you advocated Barca signing him. Cant remember that. Have feeling that is more made up bits.

I think I mentioned him once or twice as an option in the market when I thought he was available for 5m euros. Of course we should be looking at those potential bargains in the market. Lets hope we focus on such deals going forward instead of the Arda Turans of the world.

 

[JamDav1982]

I think I mentioned him once or twice as an option in the market when I thought he was available for 5m euros. Of course we should be looking at those potential bargains in the market. Lets hope we focus on such deals going forward instead of the Arda Turans of the world.

You never as far as I can see mentioned him for Barca. All mentioned was him being such a bargain as soon as Real were linked.

If you had said he would be a cheap punt worth the risk to see if improved that is different.

Never mentioned 5m, never mentioned low wages as obviously he was never going to be on that. All that happened was panicked when Real were linked and went overboard.

 

[Jombi]

You never as far as I can see mentioned him for Barca. All mentioned was him being such a bargain as soon as Real were linked.

If you had said he would be a cheap punt worth the risk to see if improved that is different.

Never mentioned 5m, never mentioned low wages as obviously he was never going to be on that. All that happened was panicked when Real were linked and went overboard.

Lets hope we focus our attention on those potential bargains going forward. Thats all I am saying. Your bickering about cheap punt or bargain is just meaningless drivel. We cant continue to splash huge amounts on aging players anyway, when our squad is stacked with garbage on high wages. We hardly managed to offload any of our garbage players this summer and that cant continue.