7 - Philippe Coutinho - V1

[gasgas]

His passing is good and he gets dispossessed as there to make a difference in final third and take risks. Hence why likes of Messi is one of most dispossessed players in Barca team season after season despite being by far best player on ball.

Nah you are just repeating Jorginhos name as you saw it popping up. Clear as day.

But as a CM we don't want him to play as Messi, we want him to play as a CM, and he is not good in any CM aspects.
He is not even the best player on the ball in Tottenham.

You are free to think whatever you like about Jorginho.
I see Seri's/dybala's name popping up but nowhere do I go claiming how he should be our midfield signing

 

[JamDav1982]

But as a CM we don't want him to play as Messi, we want him to play as a CM, and he is not good in any CM aspects.
He is not even the best player on the ball in Tottenham.

You are free to think whatever you like about Jorginho.
I see Seri's/dybala's name popping up but nowhere do I go claiming how he should be our midfield signing

You keep repeating the same thing.

I am giving what I think is the explanation for his stats not reflecting what you would think of as a Barca CM when he wasnt playing that role. Can repeat again I am basing my opinion on what I strengths as a player are more than his role last season for Spurs.

 

[gasgas]

You keep repeating the same thing.

I am giving what I think is the explanation for his stats not reflecting what you would think of as a Barca CM when he wasnt playing that role. Can repeat again I am basing my opinion on what I strengths as a player are more than his role last season for Spurs.

Then it's hypothetical.
You are claiming him to have certain strengths which he doesn't even show on his current play.

Take Eriksen for example
Plays more passes, Attempts nearly the same number of dribbles per game, creates more chances and more key passes and gets dispossessed half as much as Dele Alli.

How can Dele Alli fit Barcelona as CM more than Eriksen?
The only upside he has is goalscoring, and we got MSN for that

 

[JamDav1982]

Then it's hypothetical.
You are claiming him to have certain strengths which he doesn't even show on his current play.

Take Eriksen for example
Plays more passes, Attempts nearly the same number of dribbles per game, creates more chances and more key passes and gets dispossessed half as much as Dele Alli.

How can Dele Alli fit Barcelona as CM more than Eriksen?
The only upside he has is goalscoring, and we got MSN for that

He does show those strengths and you just have up the whoscored page and think you can decide what type of player he is.

Eriksen plays a different position last season than Alli so again you are focusing on stats that would expect him to be better on and on set pieces etc which makes a difference.

Eriksen is a great player and would be Barcas best CM. Alli has more to him in my opinion to offer more, is 21 and getting better all the time.

 

[gasgas]

He does show those strengths and you just have up the whoscored page and think you can decide what type of player he is.

Eriksen plays a different position last season than Alli so again you are focusing on stats that would expect him to be better on and on set pieces etc which makes a difference.

Eriksen is a great player and would be Barcas best CM. Alli has more to him in my opinion to offer more, is 21 and getting better all the time.

Stats support my observation, I observed an excellent forward/SS/number 10 type of player and stats support it.

Eriksen may play a different position but WHY is it that
Dele Alli attempts the same number of actions as Eriksen with lower success, more dispossessions?

The only thing that Alli has more is goalscoring, and we don't need that

 

[Zincubus]

You guys realise that this is the Coutinho thread !?

He had another fabulous game for Liverpool today and again showed creativity and vision with his passes that we sadly lack these days

 

[JamDav1982]

Stats support my observation, I observed an excellent forward/SS/number 10 type of player and stats support it.

Eriksen may play a different position but WHY is it that
Dele Alli attempts the same number of actions as Eriksen with lower success, more dispossessions?

The only thing that Alli has more is goalscoring, and we don't need that

Stats dont support your observation at all because he was not playing CM last season. It is not a like for like comparison.

No more so than stats would say Messi is poorer on the ball than other players for Barca he gets dispossessed more than.

Base your opinion on nothing more than whoscored as probably barely watched a Spurs game all you like.

 

[gasgas]

Stats dont support your observation at all because he was not playing CM last season. It is not a like for like comparison.

No more so than stats would say Messi is poorer on the ball than other players for Barca he gets dispossessed more than.

Base your opinion on nothing more than whoscored as probably barely watched a Spurs game all you like.

I doubt you understood what I said. I'll repeat
My observations showed that Dele Alli is a very good SS/10/forward, stats only support this observation.

Nah Jamdav, stats show Messi as one of the best/if not the best players on the ball
Attempts a good number of dribbles, with one of the highest completion rates, his number of passée is very good for a forward, he creates a humongous number of chances etc.

But when it comes to dele Alli vs eriksen.
When we compare the same actions they take e.g dribbling we find that Dele Alli is blaringly poorer than Eriksen, the same goes for passing.

The only thing Dele Alli has is goals?

And oh I like how you always claim that I haven't watched a certain player enough.
It's your reason for everything

 

[gasgas]

You guys realise that this is the Coutinho thread !?

He had another fabulous game for Liverpool today and again showed creativity and vision with his passes that we sadly lack these days

At least this guy passes the ball well and has vision of a midfielder
The same can't be said for Dele who

 

[JamDav1982]

I doubt you understood what I said. I'll repeat
My observations showed that Dele Alli is a very good SS/10/forward, stats only support this observation.

Nah Jamdav, stats show Messi as one of the best/if not the best players on the ball
Attempts a good number of dribbles, with one of the highest completion rates, his number of passée is very good for a forward, he creates a humongous number of chances etc.

But when it comes to dele Alli vs eriksen.
When we compare the same actions they take e.g dribbling we find that Dele Alli is blaringly poorer than Eriksen, the same goes for passing.

The only thing Dele Alli has is goals?

And oh I like how you always claim that I haven't watched a certain player enough.
It's your reason for everything

I agree he is a very good second striker/attacking mid as he played there last season and was brilliant.

You then try to use the stats of him playing in that position to compare him to someone playing in another position which is pointless.

Nah if you are using stats like players being dispossessed to compare players in different positions asked to take ball in different areas it is pointless as Messi shows.

Where you getting that Erisken is so much better at dribbling from on your stats sheet?

Yeah I dont think you have watched him enough hence the run to whoscored.

 

[gasgas]

I agree he is a very good second striker/attacking mid as he played there last season and was brilliant.

You then try to use the stats of him playing in that position to compare him to someone playing in another position which is pointless.

Nah if you are using stats like players being dispossessed to compare players in different positions asked to take ball in different areas it is pointless as Messi shows.

Where you getting that Erisken is so much better at dribbling from on your stats sheet?

Yeah I dont think you have watched him enough hence the run to whoscored.

I am comparing basic dribbling.
If player A and B do 20 dribbles each and player A loses the ball 5 times in the process while player B loses it 10 times, you can' say player B is a better dribbler.


I am starting to think you haven't watched him enough

 

[JamDav1982]

I am comparing basic dribbling.
If player A and B do 20 dribbles each and player A loses the ball 5 times in the process while player B loses it 10 times, you can' say player B is a better dribbler.


I am starting to think you haven't watched him enough

So what stats shows that Alli is a 'blaringly poorer' dribbler than Erisken then? Whatever that even means.

 

[gasgas]

So what stats shows that Alli is a 'blaringly poorer' dribbler than Erisken then? Whatever that even means.

Yeah

Because the point of dribbling is getting past a player.
If you lose the ball twice as much you are glaringly poorer at dribbling

 

[JamDav1982]

Yeah

Because the point of dribbling is getting past a player.
If you lose the ball twice as much you are glaringly poorer at dribbling

What stats are you basing that on?

In the league last season Alli had almost twice as many successful dribbles than Eriksen in tighter areas of the park.

 

[gasgas]

What stats are you basing that on?

In the league last season Alli had almost twice as many successful dribbles than Eriksen in tighter areas of the park.

Can I get the % completion from your source?