7 - Philippe Coutinho - V1

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
Guess we're watching different sports then...

Just to get this straight, we paid paid 160m for a 26yo incredibly inconsistent player who doesn't fit our 'system' and you're ok with that?
 

Arizona Scott

New member
Guess we're watching different sports then...

Just to get this straight, we paid paid 160m for a 26yo incredibly inconsistent player who doesn't fit our 'system' and you're ok with that?

Let's also get is strait was Klopp (who demands high work rate) absolutely fought tooth and nail to keep Countinho. He viewed him as their best player, and he was feared throughout the EPL. Also one of the top 3 attacking players on the Brazilian team. Yeah we were fleeced for price, but that happened because PSG paid the equally crazy fleece Neymar buyout. But Coutinho is a known world class player--and Barca is the only place his impact isn't felt. I think it has to do with the (low) workrate of the forwards and the lack of pace in the other midfielders--so in compounds areas he is not strong at. Put him in City or Liverpool and he would be outstanding--but that is not the same surrounding players and scheme. I also think if we can't play Messi (health or rest), he wouldn't replace him but not too many would be better at helping to offset some of the loss.
 

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
Let's also get is strait was Klopp (who demands high work rate) absolutely fought tooth and nail to keep Countinho. He viewed him as their best player, and he was feared throughout the EPL. Also one of the top 3 attacking players on the Brazilian team. Yeah we were fleeced for price, but that happened because PSG paid the equally crazy fleece Neymar buyout. But Coutinho is a known world class player--and Barca is the only place his impact isn't felt. I think it has to do with the (low) workrate of the forwards and the lack of pace in the other midfielders--so in compounds areas he is not strong at. Put him in City or Liverpool and he would be outstanding--but that is not the same surrounding players and scheme. I also think if we can't play Messi (health or rest), he wouldn't replace him but not too many would be better at helping to offset some of the loss.

Firstly, he isn't world Class, he had one good seaon in 16/17 and that's it. He was always as inconsistent as he is here just go through and check through his game history.

He was the 'best player' in a team that struggled to make the top 4 (lets not also mention their squad was pretty shit back then, regardless i think Mane was just as good if not better) at a time where the teams weren't at the level they are now. He by no means comes anywhere near how important Suarez or Salah were to them as challengers to the EPL/Champions league. May as well apply the same logic of how important a mid table club player might be while we are at it. He wasn't feared throughout the EPL at all...

There were much better options that fit the squad much better then he did at substantially better prices but none of them were Brazilian... So it was a political move made for the boards self interest rather than the clubs. This is one of the reasons we overpaid so heavily so him.

The fact that we received the Neymar money shouldn't mean that we have to massively overpay for any players we purchase.

As for the 2nd part of your post, we've already stated as much, and its one of the reasons a lot of people didn't want him in the first place. He is a good player just not currently a good fit and most definitely not worth the money paid. I still maintain that he shouldn't have cost more than 50m back then, 70 if you factor in the Neymar money....
 

George_Costanza

Active member
Coutinho is a world class but we didn't need him. I argued at the time before signing him he was way overpriced, and if we are going to spend money, we better spend it on a player like Christian Eriksen.

I wouldn't mind selling him to PSG if they want him.
 

Jombi

New member
If he doesnt improve until the end of the season, we should sell IMO. He's had 1.5 years here and his wages demand that he plays pretty much all the time, just like Cesc.
 

serghei

Senior Member
You can't just sell players like Coutinho before you get a proper manager and replace Valverde. Doubt anyone would pay 120m+ for him anyway in this form.
 

Jombi

New member
You can't just sell players like Coutinho before you get a proper manager and replace Valverde. Doubt anyone would pay 120m+ for him anyway in this form.

I think 120m should be possible to get. His reputation in EPL is good and he's 27 years old, not 29 or 30. But I agree that if we cant get a good price, its not worth it.
 

Jombi

New member
26.

120m is entirely realistic.

I was thinking about his age in the summer when the transfer could take place. He'll be 27.

I think its fair to say that it was a mistake to let Fabregas stay for three years, trying to make it work. Although if we get a new manager in the summer and he demands that Coutinho stays, its a different story. The current situation is not sustainable. If this situation continues, and we get a good price for him, we could really use that money to reinforce and rejuvenate our team.
 
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Trickykid

Active member
He's 26 now, will be 27 next summer, and I don't know if we should sell him before we get a new manager.

I was thinking about his age in the summer when the transfer could take place. He'll be 27.

I think its fair to say that it was a mistake to let Fabregas stay for three years, trying to make it work. Although if we get a new manager in the summer and he demands that Coutinho stays, its a different story.
Ah, of course.
 

Trickykid

Active member
About actually selling him, I already wrote this a few days ago, but I honestly think we should look into selling him, if EV stays put. Otherwise I'd rather keep him and bet on the next manager being able to utilize him better.
 

Jombi

New member
About actually selling him, I already wrote this a few days ago, but I honestly think we should look into selling him, if EV stays put. Otherwise I'd rather keep him and bet on the next manager being able to utilize him better.

Yeah. I agree. Its a huge decision really.
 

Riordon

New member
I dont know what the solution is. He plays in a position which slowly is becoming outdated in modern football. A true AM with little to no defensive work like Ozil, Mata and so on. Hard working players like D.Silva and B.Silva were able to change their game.

I dont think its a Valverde-issue. Even Klopp was surprised when we wanted him be a interior because he can't press, defend nor run that much.

And he isn't a forward either.

If any club offer close to 120, i would sell
 

Respekt_III

Anti-everything
I agree, if Valverde stays then it's better if we cut our losses and sell him. The only issue with selling him is that he's a fairly creative player and has a bit of an x factor about him, not quite to the extent of dembele but he still has it none the less.

It's a tough place to be in. I wouldn't mind getting eriksen in if we do sell him especially since he has little to no time left on his contract.

Dembele-Suarez-messi
Arthur/vidal-busqets-eriksen
Alba-lenglet/umtiti-pique-semedo
 
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