9 - Luis Suárez - v1
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Mitchell1978
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Is anybody claiming a player is twice as good because he scores twice as many goals? No one is.
But nothing you say proves Ronaldinho is beter goalscorer then Neymar or Suarez.
Raw numbers aside Ronaldinho never finished higher as 3e in the goal scoring ranking in La Liga, Suarez will finish in the top 2 this season, something Ronaldinho has never done.
Ronaldinho might have been better overall, but Suarez is a better goalscorer. Neymar is probably comparable in that regard.
Jadentheman
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Ronaldinho never needed to score unless he wanted too. Scoring was just the icing on the cake for Ronaldinho
JamDav1982
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BBZ with this argument that it is easier to score these days again.
Barca and Real are scoring more as they have two of the greatest goal scorers of all time in each team.
Messi will be Argentina top scorer ever, Suarez already is Uraguay top scorer ever and there is a good chance Ney will be Brazils top scorer.
This argument is just a joke and would give more respect to players if they scored less.
Has any player in the Barca attack bar Messi, Suarez and Ney broke 30 goals in last 10 years? One?
Totally degrades Messi goals etc to argue these lies time and again.
Barca and Real are scoring more as they have two of the greatest goal scorers of all time in each team.
Messi will be Argentina top scorer ever, Suarez already is Uraguay top scorer ever and there is a good chance Ney will be Brazils top scorer.
This argument is just a joke and would give more respect to players if they scored less.
Has any player in the Barca attack bar Messi, Suarez and Ney broke 30 goals in last 10 years? One?
Totally degrades Messi goals etc to argue these lies time and again.
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RevoTeller
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^Just this.
JamDav1982
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He is the 'one'.
redrefugee
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He used to do this with Sterling at Liverpool. He was constantly telling him where to go, and also where he wanted the ball, and Sterling looked a far better player for it.
redrefugee
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As a Liverpool fan (I come in peace), can I just say that Rivaldo is one of the most underrated players of all time. Easily my favourite non Liverpool player due to his ability to single handily win games by himself on a regular basis. I would struggle to compare him and Suarez due to their different style of play, but they are definitely at a similar level.
^^ This. I saw almost every Brazilian Ronaldo game. And IMO he's the better finisher than Suarez. But Suarez re-invented the position. He's this weird hybrid of many positions in 1.
EDIT:* I want to make it clear that I'm not diminishing godly Ronaldo. But, with Suarez, I'm at a loss for words. I once saw Suarez play a 1st half as a left-back against Arsenal at the Emirates, and he put on a 10/10 performance where he completely dominated France's Bacary Sagna. It was incredible. I really think we're talking about a rare football genius here.
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Ouch.
With a similar logic, Neymar was better in the last season that Ronaldinho and Etoo.
Again, football is different today and Barca is filthy rich.
So, we aren't winning 2:0 or 3:0 against a midtable La liga team anymore, but more often 5:1 and 7:1.
Because of too big differences between Barca/Real against Getafes and similar, top scorers from top teams will have inflated stats.
The other option is that:
-- Neymar is better than Ronnie, Rivaldo and Etoo (lol, lol, lol. Just lol)
-- Suarez is better than Ronnie, Rivaldo, Etoo, Ronaldo the Brasilian
-- Cr7 is better than Ronnie, Rivaldo, Etoo, Ronaldo the Brasilian
When you write it down on paper, it turns out:
1. Messi has the highest stats by far (ok, we can all agree on that)
But here comes the problem:
2. 2nd best player of the current generation, CR7 has better stats than all other players in the history (Ronnie, Ronaldo the Brasilian, Rivaldo, Etoo)
3. even a clown like Neymar can get better stats than more or less any player who has ever lived and played football
4. further, now even Suarez has better stats than more or less any player who has ever lived
5. and a player like Bale has somewhat similar goalscoring stats like Ronaldinho and Rivaldo
So, you should ask yourself?
1. is it possible that 4 best Fcs who have ever played football (according to stats) have luckily existed in the same era (2010-2020, roughly)
2. or they aren't actually the best players ever, and something is wrong/inflated with numbers from current players?
Ronaldinho, who was a better player than both Cr7, Neymar and Suarez scored:
-- 22, 13, 26 and 24 goals in Barca's seasons
So, again, either he was just a crappy scorer or something is different in Ronnie's era and in a current era.
Neymar is already at 39 and 28 goals in the last 2 seasons. And the season is not over yet.
So, this Neymar is according to stats a MUCH BETTER player and scorer than Ronnie?
I mean, seriously, lol.
I told the same 1 year ago on Neymar's page, but in those days people had much bigger faith in Neymar and a majority disagreed with me that stats from the current era are inflated.
But anyway, remember this, and I am willing to bet with anyone:
MAJORITY of future Barca's/Real's Fcs whom these 2 clubs will buy in 2020, 2025, 2030 etc will have better stats than Ronnie, Etoo, Rivaldo.
Because these top teams will be richer and richer and we will have more and more matches like 7:0 and 8:0 against Getafe and Levante in each season.
Will that mean that those future players are ALL better than legends from 80s, 90s and 00s?
Add some logic...
If too many players from one era have too good skills, then something must be wrong, right?
Circumstances have changed.
While I adore Suarez, but please...
I mean, Ronaldo scored 47 goals, and a f***ing CR7 managed to score more goals for the last 6 seasons in a row, lol (53, 60, 55, 51, 61, 47).
You don't have some doubt and questions over your head when looking at those stats?
Ronaldo the Brasilian, in his only Barca's season:
And Cr7 is better than that and Ney came close to that in the last season? Hmm, ouch...
And Bale is as good (according to stats) as this guy (last round of the season, we needed a win against CL-finalists Valencia to reach a Champions league spot. It was 2:2 in the 90th minute):
YOU HAVE way TOO much TIME on your hands!!Please its nonsense you write all this! Ronaldo9 was greatest Striker of all time period! In his prime and healthy i take R9 over messi. Second its a great accomplishment what Suarez is doing! he will be only 2nd player in barca history besides messi to score 50+ goals,and be 1st guy to out score both messi and CR7, in a season! Thats shows you that Suarez can end up TOP 3 greatest striker of all time if he keeps it up!AND R9 was very Injury prone..Suarez opposite just a beast!! But R9 was greatest ever END of story, just appriciate we got best Striker since R9
Serbian
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Suarez role has changed since liverpool major time!! At liverpool Suarez usually played behind as 2nd striker and could ROAM wherever just like messi today in role. Suarez created 93 chances when he played as playmaker/striker. Today at barca he doesnt need to play it because messi does that, and Suarez plays as lone CF out and out striker, we lucky he can play both but he was way better and scored from outside 16 yard box many times! But since he joined barca he has not scored outside 16 because his role has changed. Accept it, he is still great but more limited
Mitchell1978
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Some of you throw around things like greates striker of all time around way to quick. However great R9 was at his peak, it was to short for him to be considered the greatest anything.
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