9 - Luis Suárez - v1

[KyletheMuslim]

He outscored Messi and scored the same goals with CR.
Technically,he won't outscore Ronaldo this season,as CR has a lot of goals in the CL.I never understood why the CL goals don't count for the Golden Shoe race..

because the golden shoe is award for the player with the most goals in domestic leagues. The champions league has it's own topscorer award

 

[Lelouch vi Britannia]

Has just 4 less goals for us than Messi last season

 

[Egert]

Has just 4 less goals for us than Messi last season

4 goals against Espanyol in the next game to tie it up

 

[barcafan161]

golden goal really is his to lose.

 

[jj_101]

He did that in 2013/14 iirc




Debatable.The only reason why someone could rate him over Messi is his big amount of crucial goals in important matches.Other than that,even in this not-GOAT season,Messi was more important for the team.

The thing is that many people give too much credit to the big amount of goals he scored this season.Don't get me wrong,this is a huge achievement,but:
1)Messi lost 2 months due to injury,while Suarez played almost every match
2)It is plain to everyone that Messi doesn't give a damn about goals anymore.Just give all the penalties Suarez scored this year to Leo,and then their goal difference would be much smaller.
3)I may get much hate for saying this,but Suarez had many Cristiano like performances this season.In other words,in some games he was shit,but scored 1-2 goals.In fact,there's nothing wrong in that.That's his job,to score goals.But it is hypocritical to bash Ronaldo when he does it,but praise Luisito in the same situation.
4)Final and most important point.In most games,Messi does almost all the creating.Just look at their average positions on the pitch.Messi drops so deep,that he works like Xavi these days.Most of the goals either get assisted by him,or he gives the crucial pre-assist that penetrates the defence.
On the other hand,Messi has none to give him a killer through pass.Tell me when it was the last time that Leo received a pass that got him with plenty of space in front of the goal.Messi doesn't even score the famous chip-goals of his anymore,because he rarely gets this type of chances(He used to score 3-4 per season.Now he has scored like 1-2 in the last 3 years).Sure,he doesn't do much off-ball movement,but the bitter truth is that,even if he did,none would be able to give him the pass as himself or Xavi or prime Iniesta could.


In conclusion,i mean no disrespect for Suarez(i think that he is by far the best striker in the world),but even in this season,Messi was just better IMHO.As for the Ballon D'Or,i think it is too early to tell.Both Leo and Suarez will easily get to the podium if we win the double.I think that the Champions League,the Euro and Copa America will determine the winner

I)If Cristina gets the Euro(lol no chance imo) or the CL,he will be the favorite
II)If he fails and either Messi or Suarez wins the Copa America,then they will probably win
III)If both (I) and (II) happen or fail at the same time,the race will be really open and the result may be determined by the performances during the next season.

And yet the stats don't back your comments up. From Barcelona.com 2015/2016 stats

Messi Suarez
Goals 36 48
Assists 19 18
Total Shots Taken 208 172
Penalties Taken 7 6
Balls Lost 460 464
Balls Recovered 46 72
Matches Played 42 45

*Stats do not include CWC Tournament (Suarez MVP)

The only reason someone would say Messi has had a better season than Suarez is because Messi is more pleasing on the eye to them, because Suarez stats are clearly superior to those of Messi this season.

 

[Vlom]

And yet the stats don't back your comments up. From Barcelona.com 2015/2016 stats

Messi Suarez
Goals 36 48
Assists 19 18
Total Shots Taken 208 172
Penalties Taken 7 6
Balls Lost 460 464
Balls Recovered 46 72
Matches Played 42 45

*Stats do not include CWC Tournament (Suarez MVP)

The only reason someone would say Messi has had a better season than Suarez is because Messi is more pleasing on the eye to them, because Suarez stats are clearly superior to those of Messi this season.

This is the same shit argument CR7 fanboys come up with, stats stats stats.

Messi has been key in so many games without scoring or assisting, for example should have had 5 or 6 assist against Betis if Ney & Suarez could finish those 90% goals he served them.

As good as Suarez has been this season, clearly the MVP of the season is Messi, he saved our ass so many times this season.

 

[jj_101]

This is the same shit argument CR7 fanboys come up with, stats stats stats.

Messi has been key in so many games without scoring or assisting, for example should have had 5 or 6 assist against Betis if Ney & Suarez could finish those 90% goals he served them.

As good as Suarez has been this season, clearly the MVP of the season is Messi, he saved our ass so many times this season.

...and yet Barca's best this season came when Messi was out injured.
Messi being key without scoring or assisting is meaningless. Goals win games, so however great you want to say Messi is without scoring or assisting it doesn't mean anything to winning games and trophies. Messi is awesome for Argentina. What has Messi won for Argentina?
In fact if either Messi or Neymar were at Suarez's level this season, the Liga would already be won, and we would be playing tommorrow. That is just the plain truth.
Messi has taken 36 more shots than Suarez. He should have more goals than Suarez if he was the MVP.

 

[Vlom]

...and yet Barca's best this season came when Messi was out injured.
Messi being key without scoring or assisting is meaningless. Goals win games, so however great you want to say Messi is without scoring or assisting it doesn't mean anything to winning games and trophies. Messi is awesome for Argentina. What has Messi won for Argentina?
In fact if either Messi or Neymar were at Suarez's level this season, the Liga would already be won, and we would be playing tommorrow. That is just the plain truth.
Messi has taken 36 more shots than Suarez. He should have more goals than Suarez if he was the MVP.

Flawless logic bro

36 more shots, more goals, bla bla bla bla .... when Messi was out, Neymar was by far the most important player in the team, not Suarez.

After that it was Messi ...

Not downplaying Suarez's great season, but not everything is about goals and you base your entire logic on that because it suits your argument.

 

[jj_101]

Flawless logic bro
Not downplaying Suarez's great season, but not everything is about goals and you base your entire logic on that because it suits your argument.

What is the name of the trophy that Barca wins for Messi and Neymar dribbling though every player on the oposing team?

 

[TornAndFrayed]

1) Suarez' stats are mostly superior to Messi

2) Suarez' stats are incredibly superior to CR7. Just look at shots taken, goal distribution and balls recovered, etc.

3) Messi is the most talented by far, it showed this season as in any other (much less dribbling though).

Suarez is probably a little ahead of Messi ballon d'or wise, barring NT performances of course.

 

[Vlom]

What is the name of the trophy that Barca wins for Messi and Neymar dribbling though every player on the oposing team?

Suarez doesn't even get the ball if not for Messi and Neymar dribbling as you say.

That's a ridiculous logic you're employing, knowing as Suarez benefits from all the grunt work the other 2 do, you know, being the CF and all.

 

[jj_101]

1) Suarez' stats are mostly superior to Messi

2) Suarez' stats are incredibly superior to CR7. Just look at shots taken, goal distribution and balls recovered, etc.

3) Messi is the most talented by far, it showed this season as in any other (much less dribbling though).

Suarez is probably a little ahead of Messi ballon d'or wise, barring NT performances of course.

Agreed.
But Suarez will never win the Ballon d'or. FIFA will disband before giving Suarez that award.

 

[jj_101]

Suarez doesn't even get the ball if not for Messi and Neymar dribbling as you say.

That's a ridiculous logic you're employing, knowing as Suarez benefits from all the grunt work the other 2 do, you know, being the CF and all.

If you think Suarez needs Messi or Neymar to get the ball then you obviously have not followed Suarez's career.
Now if you say Suarez needs Messi and Neymar's blessing to get the ball while playing for Barca, then I would agree with you.

 

[6 Ballons for Messi]

So after saying suarez is better than the real ronaldo now he's better than messi too?
What's wrong with people these days.

 

[jj_101]

So after saying suarez is better than the real ronaldo now he's better than messi too?
What's wrong with people these days.

He's had a better season than Messi. Messi has been well below last year's level, and Suarez has been well above last year's level.
Kind of obvious. Like Suarez has scored more goals for Barca in one season than real Ronaldo did.