9 - Luis Suárez - v1

[Vlom]

There is no scenario where Busquets and Messi don't make the top 5 of our team this season, none.

You fail to make sense every time you post, but at least your consistent in your insanity, there are clearly players you like and other you don't .. which would be totally fine if you weren't beeing a know-it-all (who's ironically wrong 100% of the time) about it.

 

[Total-Football]

[MENTION=19697]Vlom[/MENTION] .. you from Morocco and i happen to be from there , let's Watch a game together and see if i dont like Messi or any player . again ( i v said it million times ), i speak my mind you dont have to reply to my comments , i love messi and infact the only reason i follow copa america thouroughly is messi with the hope of him lifting international trophies .. when Messi retires i will be back to not giving a f*** about argentina

 

[SeloBarca]

Neymar august-december was Ballon worthy, but not season overall.

 

[jj_101]

My point is made then.

Don't know why you guys keep talking about the injury as if it was an intentional drop of form

PS : Just checked whoscored, Messi has the most MotM, and I'm pretty sure it'll be the same in all other stats/rating sites.

Yes. The MOTM thread is a true gauge of this season's MVP. The popularity contest where Macherano and Messi are voted MOTM by some in a game where Suarez scores four goals and has three assists (something never before done in LIGA).
Suarez will never win a popularity contest. His ears are too funny looking.
The stats you want to use are all opinion/popularity based instead of actual factors that determine the outcome of games.

 

[Vlom]

Yes, we all hate Suarez in here, just like we all hate Neymar.

Another one for whom the crowd's opinion is worth nothing against his own.

Keep at it mate, I'm out

 

[bismp]

Again, the motm thread is alot about popularity rather than 100% accurate.
Messi can have shitty games and still end up top 3 becouse hes Messi.

Messi havent been bad, hes practilly created everything for Barcelona this year, but he had a injurybreak. I would tie Suarez and Messi, Suarez maybe a little bit ahead.

It goes the other way around too though.Messi may be in top 3 players in a specific match,but still not in GOAT form.For some reason,some of us won't vote for him for that reason.

Therefore,i think that the MotM thread is the most objective indication of the players' performances.I can say that Douglas is the MVP of the season,but the truth is that the MotM thread combines the opinion of dozens of people.

 

[Vlom]

Therefore,i think that the MotM thread is the most objective indication of the players' performances.I can say that Douglas is the MVP of the season,but the truth is that the MotM thread combines the opinion of dozens of people.

You're doing it wrong mate, using logic, instead of the irrefutable argument that people on the forum just don't like Suarez's ears and Neymar's hair

 

[SeloBarca]

but the truth is that the MotM thread combines the opinion of dozens of people.

Its exactly that, opinions. Im not saying its wrong Messi is on top, just that hes a bit popularitypadded, much more than hes not voted for becouse hes not in GOAT form.

 

[bismp]

Its exactly that, opinions. Im not saying its wrong Messi is on top, just that hes a bit popularitypadded, much more than hes not voted for becouse hes not in GOAT form.

Ultimately though,everything is based on opinions.

MotM,season MVP,Ballon D'Or,GOAT etc

 

[Vlom]

Everything anyone posts here is an opinion, or is the MotM thread more of an opinion than this thread's opinions ... wait, what ?

 

[bismp]

The Chinese say "1 image,a 1000 words" (or something like that )

There has been a total of 6720 points so far.That equals to 1120 (!!!) votes during the course of the season.In fact the MotM thread is much more objective than a "vote this season's MVP" thread (which is similar to what some people are doing here)at the end of the season,as it takes into consideration every single match.On the other hand,in the latter thread,votes may be clouded by recent good/bad performances by certain players(see Neymar).

A thread like that would get at the best case scenario the 1/10th of the MotM votes.Furthermore,one could say that "well,yes,but in the season MVP kind of thread,the whole season is taken into perspective,and especially the important matches"(in other words saying that all matches are not equal,which is right).Well,the MotM thread takes even that into consideration.In a big match,we may get 50+ votes,while in smaller matches we usually get around 15-20 votes,thus highlighting the importance of big matches and rewarding the players who performed well in them

 

[AnnieSureshot]

Wisdom of the Crowd

 

[jj_101]

Ultimately though,everything is based on opinions.

MotM,season MVP,Ballon D'Or,GOAT etc

Goals, assists, shots taken, and other statistics are FACTS, not opinions.
The opinions should be derived from the factual statistics, but people let their biases affect their opinions.

There's a prevailing opinion here that Suarez has missed countless sitters, and gives the ball away easily, but the facts show that his conversion rate is higher than Messi's and Messi gives the ball away just as much as Suarez, but Suarez gets the ball back almost twice as much as Messi. Those are FACTS put forth by Barcelona FC on their website.

 

[Jamie Cal]

Pique's numbers are wayyyy lower than I thought they'd be. For a while there (around christmas onwards) we were conceding through mistakes from Masche, Jordi, Mathieu, even Busquets. Felt like Pique had been outstanding up until a couple shaky games this month. I think we tend to glorify the forwards anyway, a goal can mask a performance.

edit: that said, some days we crush opponents and our defenders might have hardly anything to do so maybe it is fair.

 

[Vlom]

Goals, assists, shots taken, and other statistics are FACTS, not opinions.
The opinions should be derived from the factual statistics, but people let their biases affect their opinions.

There's a prevailing opinion here that Suarez has missed countless sitters, and gives the ball away easily, but the facts show that his conversion rate is higher than Messi's and Messi gives the ball away just as much as Suarez, but Suarez gets the ball back almost twice as much as Messi. Those are FACTS put forth by Barcelona FC on their website.

As I said, this is the same argument people use for CR7, he scores 12 against Espanyol and he's the king of the world, you're using the same logic.

Your logic suits your argument, and that's fine, but the MotM is the perfect reflection of people's opinions taken at the right moment, just after the game, for who was the most instrumental in the win, not who scored more or had more shots.

Pique's numbers are wayyyy lower than I thought they'd be. For a while there (around christmas onwards) we were conceding through mistakes from Masche, Jordi, Mathieu, even Busquets. Felt like Pique had been outstanding up until a couple shaky games this month. I think we tend to glorify the forwards anyway, a goal can mask a performance.

edit: that said, some days we crush opponents and our defenders might have hardly anything to do so maybe it is fair.

There's an argument for that, forwards tends to be more "visible" especially in Lucho's system so they get more votes.

But that doesn't affect Suarez or Neymar in this case.