9 - Luis Suárez - v1

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Catalonian Devil

Shukran Pep
This.

People keep saying Evra loses credibility because he made false allegations in the past, personally I never heard of such. May someone be kind enough provide a source or an article regarding those false allegations?

Otherwise it seems like people are just making stuff up to suit their arguments...

So apparently no one has any sources or evidence to support this claim and therefore all this talk about Evra making false allegations is a bunch of bullshit.

I agree he is a prick for the most part, but those arguing that he is not credible shouldn't provide false misleading information to support their arguments.

Coming from a person that believes its more likely Suarez didn't say anything racist.
 

La Furia

Legion of Doooom
So apparently no one has any sources or evidence to support this claim and therefore all this talk about Evra making false allegations is a bunch of bullshit.

I agree he is a prick for the most part, but those arguing that he is not credible shouldn't provide false misleading information to support their arguments.

Coming from a person that believes its more likely Suarez didn't say anything racist.

It's hard to find a first hand source since google is filled with stories of the Suarez incident but
This is not the first time Evra has claimed to be a victim of racism. In April 2008 he said that a Chelsea groundsman had insulted him while United players were warming down after a 2-1 defeat at Stamford Bridge.

Evra and the groundsman had to be separated. The United defender was banned for four matches and fined £15,000 (US$23,500) for his role in the incident. The allegations of racism were dismissed.
http://network.yardbarker.com/soccer/article_external/evra_claims_racial_abuse_from_suarez/7442314

Now just becaus the FA dismissed the allegations doesn't mean it wasn't true, and it could have also been a misunderstanding on Evra's fault - the groundsman claimed to have called him "fucking ignorant" and Evra claimed the word he used was "immigrant", but he did make a big shout about being a victim of racism back then.

And while I don't think it was Evra himself who directly accused Finnan of racism, what this also shows is that Evra has a history of reacting violently to comments, which cripples the argument that Meta and HBA are relying too much on - that the only reason Evra would react to words if it was something really offensive. This is a player with a violent track record.

So no, this isn't a matter of providing false information, people have overreacted or at least exaggerated by accusing Evra of constantly playing the race card, but he has a track record of overblown racism rows and creating at least one previous media uproar over a racism claim, that was later dismissed. Both Evra and Suarez have terrible track records coming into this row, but some people, especially Meta, have focused entirely on only one of them, which shouldn't be surprising when you consider what team Evra plays for.
 

Catalonian Devil

Shukran Pep
It's hard to find a first hand source since google is filled with stories of the Suarez incident but

http://network.yardbarker.com/soccer/article_external/evra_claims_racial_abuse_from_suarez/7442314

Now just becaus the FA dismissed the allegations doesn't mean it wasn't true, and it could have also been a misunderstanding on Evra's fault - the groundsman claimed to have called him "fucking ignorant" and Evra claimed the word he used was "immigrant", but he did make a big shout about being a victim of racism back then.

And while I don't think it was Evra himself who directly accused Finnan of racism, what this also shows is that Evra has a history of reacting violently to comments, which cripples the argument that Meta and HBA are relying too much on - that the only reason Evra would react to words if it was something really offensive. This is a player with a violent track record.

So no, this isn't a matter of providing false information, people have overreacted or at least exaggerated by accusing Evra of constantly playing the race card, but he has a track record of overblown racism rows and creating at least one previous media uproar over a racism claim, that was later dismissed. Both Evra and Suarez have terrible track records coming into this row, but some people, especially Meta, have focused entirely on only one of them, which shouldn't be surprising when you consider what team Evra plays for.

Yep, as much as meta may come off as biased to some and you're right, the fact that Evra reacted strongly doesn't mean anything given his track record, but those on the other side of the argument have absolutely no basis whatsoever on saying that Evra is not credible when it comes to racial allegations.

His track record of reacting strongly to comments or caused an uproar doesn't mean his racial allegations are false or made up, call him drama queen or whatever you want but there's nothing to suggest he lied. He didn't comment on the Finnan incident at all, and in the Chelsea case there is nothing that indicates he made anything up, a misunderstanding at worse, if the groundsman is to be believed. I see no reason whatsoever to dismiss his claims based on those particular grounds.
 

Metaphysical

Bomb Dropper
Both Evra and Suarez have terrible track records coming into this row, but some people, especially Meta, have focused entirely on only one of them, which shouldn't be surprising when you consider what team Evra plays for.

Evra's all-talk. his dickery is in comments to the media before and after the match. on the field he's very much a head-down get-on-with-it kind of player which is why Fergie gives him so many games & the Captain's armband when Vidic doesn't play.

Suarez, on the other hand, is a legendary wind-up merchant who has repeatedly sunk to various depths of cuntitude to get under an opponent's skin.

they're not even close to being the same. doesn't make a fucking bit of difference who either man plays for.
 
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Worms

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Evra's all-talk. his dickery is in comments to the media before and after the match. on the field he's very much a head-down get-on-with-it kind of player which is why Fergie gives him so many games & the Captain's armband when Vidic doesn't play.

Suarez, on the other hand, is a legendary wind-up merchant who has repeatedly sunk to various depths of cuntitude to get under an opponent's skin.

they're not even close to being the same. doesn't make a fucking bit of difference who either man plays for.

Lol Evras the biggest moaner in football,every little throwin or foul he's moaning at the ref even if he blatantly gets the decision right.
 

Deco 20

Scandinavian 101
No sorry but that's absolute bollocks...Even in the heat of the moment racism should never be accepted and then for you to expect someone to just accept it as if it's standard procedure to be racially abused during a match is just stupid, absoultly stupid...If i was ever I would have decked him

Watch your average p12 (boys age 12) game and there's bound to be shit of this magnitude involved...
Namely:[Warning, censored swedish insults inside the box below]

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H*ra, F**ta, H**unge, bög, svartskalle, svennejävel, k***lar din mamma/syrra, etc
 

barcetia

Mikrofonkåt
P12? Bro, I play in adult level and I use those words every game :p

Suarez, on the other hand, is a legendary wind-up merchant who has repeatedly sunk to various depths of cuntitude to get under an opponent's skin.
Tbh fair I like the Suarez more than the Evra. I'd rather have a wind-up merchant that does everything to win than a moaner.


Mourinho or Wenger basically?
 

La Furia

Legion of Doooom
P12? Bro, I play in adult level and I use those words every game :p


Tbh fair I like the Suarez more than the Evra. I'd rather have a wind-up merchant that does everything to win than a moaner.


Mourinho or Wenger basically?

Big difference is Suarez's trolling ends as soon as the match is over, unlike Mourinho.
 

AnfieldEd

I am Leg End
Official news from Liverpool:-


Liverpool have given their firm backing to Luis Suárez over his denial that he racially abused Patrice Evra at Anfield on Saturday – and want the Manchester United defender to receive a ban from the Football Association should his accusations prove groundless.

The Uruguay international has vehemently denied Evra's allegations that he racially abused him during Liverpool's 1-1 draw with United and will fight to clear his name if the FA decides to open a disciplinary case.

Suárez has also received a show of support from his employers. A Liverpool spokesman said: "Luis is adamant that he has not used language of that nature and the club is totally supportive of the player."

The inquiry will begin with the FA asking to speak to Evra on Monday to ascertain whether he intends to make an official complaint. Evra's accusation is that he was called "a nigger" – the Senegal-born Frenchman said he heard it "at least 10 times" – but Suárez insists it is not true.

"I'm upset by the accusations of racism," he said. "I can only say that I have always respected, and respect, everybody. We are all the same." Liverpool have accepted Suárez's version of events and, given the potential repercussions for their striker if Evra's allegations are proven, believe the France international should have a disciplinary case to answer if allegations of this magnitude are dropped.

Evra, accompanied by Mr. Ferguson, asked to see the referee Andre Marriner, after the match to report the alleged incidents and later expressed his anger in an interview with Canal Plus.

"In 2011, there are things you can't say any more," he said. "The referee knows and there will be an investigation. But I don't want to repeat what he said." The interviewer asked if Suárez had used racist words and he replied: "Yes, he did. We can see thanks to the television what he said. He said it at least 10 times. We can read it on his lips."

Evra's complaints have been included in Marriner's match report but the referee has also informed the FA and the Premier League that the first he knew of it was after the match. The two players could be seen exchanging words at various points of the second half but it may count against Evra that he did not raise the alleged offence with Marriner during the game.

On that basis, Evra will almost certainly need back-up statements from his United team-mates if the FA is to decide there is evidence to make a case against Suárez. United would not say if there were witnesses to Evra's allegations but, without them, the authorities may decide it is a case of one man's word against another.

In 2008 Evra was at the centre of accusations that he was racially abused by a groundsman at Chelsea while warming down. But an FA hearing into the allegation – which was made by a Manchester United employee – found that it was not proven. Evra was subsequently banned for four games and fined £15,000 for his part in the post-match altercation with the groundsman. The controversy comes at a particularly bad time given that Saturday's match launched Kick It Out's three-week "One Game, One Community" action programme, with players from both sides wearing anti-racism T-shirts, and every manager through the leagues wearing one of the organisation's badges.

A message was read out before the game saying that Liverpool did not tolerate racism of any form, and there was a message in the club programme, including a telephone number for supporters to report anyone guilty of offences.

Lord Herman Ouesley, the chairman of Kick It Out, said any footballer guilty of racism should face "severe action" both from the FA and the player's club, but "you would have to be able to prove it beyond reasonable doubt".

He added: "There were incidents in the second half and Evra seemed to get very agitated so something was obviously bugging him because he was quite incensed. But if this happened he should have brought it to the attention of the referee at the time."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/...ign=Feed:+theguardian/football/rss+(Football)
 

Barcaman

Administrator
Staff member
Players will say all kind of things in the heat of the moment. He looks for the worst word he can think of that will hurt the other guy. Anyone who ever played football knows this. Also, can't have much sympathy for millionaire like Evra crying about alleged racism. What the hell does he know about suffering (any kind) and does being born into a race makes you entitled to demand anything?

Also, not the best comparison but..If you got drunk once does that make you a drunkard? Suarez said a bad thing in a heat of the moment. Supposedly. But that still doesn't make him a racist. Case closed.

If Suarez said it repeatedly then that's another matter.
 

Canto

Johan Dalin part II
You do know Evra did't grow up a millionaire right? He has something like 20 brothers and sisters? I'm sure he didn't have it easy growing up as a kid at all...it fdoesn't matter anyway regardless of his wealth he shouldn't have to put up with rascist remakrs nobody should ffs
 

AnfieldEd

I am Leg End
Well Suarez said he didn't say that word even once, and video evidence hasn't proven otherwise. Evra said Suarez said this word 10 times, surely the cameras and the microphone would have picked it up. I mean Sky own the footage, we all know how they love to kiss manc arse, thus if there was video proof or mic proof then they would be going over it 24/7 on sky sports news. But they aren't so I have to believe Suarez in this case.
 
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