9 - Luis Suárez - v1

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Barcaman

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Precisely. Punish him if he's proven to say it.
I still won't shed a tear if he did insult him regardless of the nature of the insult. Like I wouldn't lose sleep if Evra called Suarez a gypsy, Materazzi mentioning Zidane's mom or Carsten fricking Jancker was called a Quasimodo.
 

Raed

Dr. Raed St. Claire
True colors come out?

I am on the verge on standing on Meta's side right now just to prove a point.

Holy shit.

Seriously, holllyyy shit...

I have never been subject to racism and I have lived and will live the rest of my life out of my country of origin so I am very lucky and I am the least person to talk about facing Racism but...some of the comments here. Damn. Kind of disgusted.

I won't indulge into a long conversation but racism is never situational and never borderline acceptable. It is also never a card.
 

La Furia

Legion of Doooom
True colors come out?

I am on the verge on standing on Meta's side right now just to prove a point.

Holy shit.

Seriously, holllyyy shit...

I have never been subject to racism and I have lived and will live the rest of my life out of my country of origin so I am very lucky and I am the least person to talk about facing Racism but...some of the comments here. Damn. Kind of disgusted.

I won't indulge into a long conversation but racism is never situational and never borderline acceptable. It is also never a card.

I'm not sure if this is at all directed toward me but having you side with Meta is unacceptable here so I'm going to get defensive on a few issues.

For one the "race card", a term I hate, is overused but it there is some incidents - few, isolated ones, usually by people who aren't the common victims of racism themselves, where race is exploited for political purpose. To give a recent example some professor recently wrote a widely quoted op-ed accusing white progressives in the United States of abandoning Obama because they are racist. The only evidence given was that more people on the political left seem to be outspoken against Obama than they were against Clinton. Because it couldn't be that the left has abandoned Obama because he failed most of his promises, refused to take dramatic action on the economy, and ordered the assassination of an American citizen without due process, ignoring that Clinton had plenty of left wing condemnation, governed over a successful economy, and never made grand sweeping progressive promises to begin with. The point is the author exploited real life racial tension to defend their political position.

If in 2008 Evra did claim racism entirely to defend his actions, which I'm not saying he did but he might have, then yes that's a case of exploiting racism, the same if he did it this time, neither of which we know because we can't read his mind.

And I agree racism is never acceptable, but trash talk is supposed to be intentional and people do cross the line without realizing it, especially from countries that have for the past century mostly ignored racial issues, such as Spain, Argentina and Uruguay. Had Suarez insulted Evra for being French for instance, that woudn't be racist but it would be offensive toward the French, but it's not something I'd ever blame him for because who doesn't like making jokes about the French? Some people, shockingly enough, don't see the difference between insulting a nationality and racism, and unfortunately from comments on this forum you can see just how common it is for people to be ignorant about race.
 

10Rivaldo

Hoy, mañana y siempre traductor
Evra looked very distressed. I think something was said. If he suffered racial abuse he has every right to complain about it. No matter how much money or how much of a douche bag he is.

It happened before Busquets and now you're doing it again. Falsely accusing someone of racism is just as disgusting as racism itself, so keep your speculations to yourself. Don't go around repeating "he looked distressed, must be racism" when you have no clue what was going on.
 

Footiefan

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Evra didn't accuse Finnan. The article was already posted here.

Regarding Chelsea ground staff.

Evra was expected to argue to the commission that he was provoked by Bethell, who had himself been charged with improper conduct and using abusive language aggravated by reference to nationality and/or race. An independent commission subsequently cleared him, ruling that the FA did not have disciplinary jurisdiction over the groundsman because Chelsea had failed to inform him that he was subject to FA rules.

The FA went on to charge Chelsea "for their failure to include the required provisions in his employment contract" and with "failing to ensure that Bethell conducted himself in an orderly fashion and/or refrained from any one or a combination of racist and/or abusive and/or provocative conduct and/or language".

That charge appears to hinge on evidence to be heard from Phelan, a key witness as Evra claims he did not hear any racist comments during the incident. Chelsea have consistently denied there was any racist element to Bethell's conduct.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/dec/05/premierleague-manchesterunited?INTCMP=ILCNETTXT3487
 
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Worms

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I agree with Bojan.

This is being blown all out of proportion,I have seen people on this forum comment negatively on some players height and it goes completely ignored but when something not even racist but un PC about race is said a big deal is made out of it,skitting somebody about there height is just as bad as skitting somebody about there race because the person can't help either.
 

AnfieldEd

I am Leg End
It happened before Busquets and now you're doing it again. Falsely accusing someone of racism is just as disgusting as racism itself, so keep your speculations to yourself. Don't go around repeating "he looked distressed, must be racism" when you have no clue what was going on.

Quite right.
 

Hatem Ben Arfa

New member
It happened before Busquets and now you're doing it again. Falsely accusing someone of racism is just as disgusting as racism itself, so keep your speculations to yourself. Don't go around repeating "he looked distressed, must be racism" when you have no clue what was going on.

So i never used the word IF!

get away man!

even a former player said Evra looked very agitated and IF it is true there should be a ban. same IF Evra is lying. But he repeated Evra looked very agitated and he thought there was something more to it. cant remember where i read it. there have been so many articles on this incident now.
 

Ode to Django

You're not even a real journalism
It happened before Busquets and now you're doing it again. Falsely accusing someone of racism is just as disgusting as racism itself, so keep your speculations to yourself. Don't go around repeating "he looked distressed, must be racism" when you have no clue what was going on.

I wouldn't waste your time, i knew for a fact before opening this thread that hba would be talking out of his arse
 

Hatem Ben Arfa

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I agree with Bojan.

This is being blown all out of proportion,I have seen people on this forum comment negatively on some players height and it goes completely ignored but when something not even racist but un PC about race is said a big deal is made out of it,skitting somebody about there height is just as bad as skitting somebody about there race because the person can't help either.

yes because short people were opressed and kept in bondage and servitude as slaves for centuries and called the N-word as a sub-human insult. All the short people in the world should have a lets kick height-ism out of football!

Don't you just hate it when you get people with Napoleon-complexes who get all agressive and defensive and asky why you are picking on them. They then accuse of shortism, cause your picking on them for no other reason than the fact that they are short.

It is OBVIOUSLY the same as Racism and all those short people have been put through hell over the centuries.

you are a G-E-N-I-U-S worms!

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DucdeOrléans

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Why are you always so hysterical Hatem Ben Arfa? Calm down and follow 10Rivaldos advice until it is proven who is right or wrong.

And why would Suarez, who clearly have a lot of Indian blood himself and apparently suffered from racism in Uruguay, call Evra a nigger 10 times? I am not saying that it could not happen because of that fact but I find it highly unlikely.
 

yusuf

Yusuf Islam
Why are you always so hysterical Hatem Ben Arfa? Calm down and follow 10Rivaldos advice until it is proven who is right or wrong.

And why would Suarez, who clearly have a lot of Indian blood himself and apparently suffered from racism in Uruguay, call Evra a nigger 10 times? I am not saying that it could not happen because of that fact but I find it highly unlikely.
he was clearly racially abused as a child and is very touchy on the subject
 

Hatem Ben Arfa

New member
I don't know what was said and I don't know how Evra felt. Nor do you.

They are investigating the case so let's wait and see.

They won't be able to prove a thing I bet you. lack of evidence etc. etc.

and then everyone will all say Evra was lying blah blah blah, when it is quite possible that he is telling the truth.

It's like trying to prove John Terry called Wayne Rooney Shrek to wind him up on the pitch. You really have Fk All chance of proving it.

Evra looked very 'agitated' or distressed in my own words which suggests it is more than any other normal spat. Thats how it looks to me. Others can view it differently.
 

Hatem Ben Arfa

New member
Why are you always so hysterical Hatem Ben Arfa? Calm down and follow 10Rivaldos advice until it is proven who is right or wrong.

And why would Suarez, who clearly have a lot of Indian blood himself and apparently suffered from racism in Uruguay, call Evra a nigger 10 times? I am not saying that it could not happen because of that fact but I find it highly unlikely.

you never heard of the whole Colour Complex?

People think because they are lighter than their counterpart, they think that somehow they are superior. This can be seen in black on black racism, or Indian on Indian Racism, or even Indian on black, or even light black on dark indian!
 
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