9 - Robert Lewandowski

TemporaryFan

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He's rated as one of the greatest strikers of his generation yet people believe he's underrated? Do his delusional fans want people to claim he's better than prime R9 or something?
It isn't about wanting something.

If someone follows a player's career, from the very start, for so many years, one has no other choice but stay loyal to the bitter end. Sometimes that fanship may turn sour and become more of a nuisance than joy when expectations exceed the reality of life limitations but the bond still remains, and you cannot help it.
 

Maradona37

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He's rated as one of the greatest strikers of his generation yet people believe he's underrated? Do his delusional fans want people to claim he's better than prime R9 or something?
Aye that is what I mean.

It is really nothing personal against Lewy - at least on my side. The guy seems a top notch dude and like he'd be a good guy to know.

However, I am rating him as a player. He's fairly rated as one of the best strikers or players of his generation. He can be rated as one of the best strikers of all time with Benzema and Suarez from this gen - though he'd be lower down that list below R9, Van Basten, Muller, Romario and a few others.

I don't see how he can possibly be underrated on account of the above? Unless people wanna say he's better than strikers like those four based on stats across eras (out of context ones). In which case I'd argue he's overrated, not underrated.

He's one of the best strikers of his generation and lower down can be argued to be one of the best of all time. Why isn't that enough? That's still brilliant and an accurate representation of him as a player. Rating him any higher does a disservice to players from the past who were better and elevates him beyond his level.
 

Maradona37

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If someone follows a player's career, from the very start, for so many years, one has no other choice but stay loyal to the bitter end.
It's not about loyalty though. That can turn to bias and militant defence.

I don't mean you here, as you have criticised him when called for. I also am talking more in general about anything - Lewy, Ronaldo, Taylor Swift, Apple, Playstation, Nintendo, Twitter, Trump, whatever.

There comes a point where it goes beyond liking someone and it becomes fanboyism and a cult i.e. defending someone constantly because you want them to be the best, rather than that being your genuine opinion. Developing a bond or emotional attachment to them that causes you to irrationally judge them as better relative to others, and against your own sense and good judgement.

That is cultism and fanboyism. Plenty defenders of the above display that. It's fine to a point but when it causes people to overrate those things or entities relative to others who deserve it more, that is when it oversteps the mark.

One example being saying Lewy is better than prime R9 and is the greatest striker ever. I like to think I am unemotional in this debate as I have zero issue with lewy as a person. Maybe I have some nostalgia for R9 as a player. However, to me the idea that Lewy is better than him just doesn't seem right to me at all, it leaves a sour taste in my mouth and goes against the way I view and think about football (as with Messi-Ronaldo). Hence, I mention that I feel it is overrating of Lewy and does a disservice to R9.

Is it the worst thing in the world? Does it make Tempt a bad guy to say it? No, of course not. It is utterly harmless, as is all 'who's better at football?' debate. In the grand scheme of things it means nothing. However, it is a football forum, so if I see people say things I don't think stand up to scrutiny I will say my piece, sometimes at least. That is what i did here.

What you implied in that sentence there about 'staying loyal to the bitter end' makes it sound like some people have an emotional attachment to someone, that causes them to rate them irrationally, cover up their flaws, and give them more leeway than other entities they care far less about. Even when it is clear that person doesn't deserve the defence anymore ('to the bitter end').
 
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vegitot

Senior Member
@KingLeo10. Why do you say I am an anti-Barca fan because I am Robert Lewandowski fan? Ever since he joined the club, I am emotionally vested in the club success.
Whenever I watch a match, I really feel emotions, especially when Lewa plays well.
If Barcelona wins I feel good, when it loses I feel sad. That may not make me a true fan, perhaps a proper term would be a supporter or sympathizer but antifan?! It ain't fair.

Similarly, there are Georgians cheering for Napoli on the account of Kvaratskhelia, who gives them joy to watch. I don't see anything wrong with that. That's how you make a club global and popular, you give someone not native to the club a reason to be attached to it somehow.
Bro why you act like no one know that you are just another clone of temptation/fati acc?
 

Maradona37

Well-known member

Good thread from Redcafe about strikers over the decades.

Generally it is a good discussion. Though there's a few things I take issue with like a couple of C Ronaldo fanboys saying he was miles better in lots of attributes than van Basten, and some other stuff.

I agree fully with this guy. I mean it is just apparently obvious from watching Ronaldo 9 play that his talent was significantly better than lewy, Suarez and Benzema. Which is saying something as the three of them were excellent themselves:

'And no if Ronaldo was fit in today's era and say played for a super team like Messi and CR7 did, say he was in place of Lewa in Bayern Munich. Pretty sure he would have won a Ballon Dor over the two. Because talent wise he is up there with the best of the best. Neither Lewa nor Suarez are anywhere near R9's individual ability. Lewandowski and Benzema are becoming annoyingly overrated due to recency bias. I saw some dumbass few days back in twitter writing that Benzema this season is better than Messi in his prime :lol: and some saying Lewandowski is better than Muller'
 

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