Alen Halilović

El Flaco

Active member
I meant, if he's to succeed at Barcelona. He surely can't do that at Barcelona. It makes sense in Atletico, since they only have their playmakers on the wings (Koke and Turan). We haven't played with a wide playmaker since Ronaldinho. And the only one we have used, is a goal scorer.

Arda does well in the CM and LW position higher up on the pitch, something he showed for Turkey.
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
Note: I haven't watched games of Halilovic, just highlights and I had some queries.
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] I'm curious about Halilovic, if his best position is RW (as you said, he's a pure winger), what are his major strenghts there and how will it translate to his performances when he's not the best player in the team?

Yes, he can take his man on and beat him. But he doesn't have a great crossing ability. He isn't a pure goalscorer either. From what I've seen, he can thread some throughballs and that can definitely be improved to reach a much higher level. So what can he do on the wing in a bigger team, when he's not free to roam around the pitch? The best thing he could possibly do is cut inside from the right and send a cross-field ball with his left foot, but that would be too one dimensional. The reason why Messi can do that effectively, is because he can easily cut inside and go to score as well, hence the defense is always in two minds. He eventually has to learn to play as CAM/CM (as his strenghts seem ideal for the same), if he continues to develop this way doesn't he?

I have said long ago that I don't think that Halilovic can make it here.
He is an awesome player, with insane technical abilities.
But, regarding his IQ, I don't think that he will ever be good enough to be Barca's attacker. (He is not Adama's type, but he is miles from Barca's smart attacker like Ronnie, Etoo, Messi, Neymar, Villa, Henry etc).
And we are on top because we have a perfect combination of insanely technically gifted, tacticaly smart players and players who understand the system and think extremely fast in that system and fit in extremely well.

About him as a winger, imo, he can be a key player in some "weaker" teams like Sevilla, Liverpool, some German or English teams etc...
He can be a midfielder, but he is forced to play there in weak teams who lack in creativity. But him as a midfielder is like Busi at Cm or Cb and similar.

I am from Croatia and I am watching him since first steps.
Some people in Croatia truly believe that he is the best young player in the world or that he is a real gem (like some of Croatian posters here), while the other part think that he is just meh and a "cheater" (something like: people are easily delusioned by his moves, dribbles and some awesome tricks, while when you watch him longer, you realize that he is just "flashy" and not actually that good... I can't explain it better, sorry :/)

My friends with whom I talk about football, more or less nobody rates him highly (we are all from Croatia) and we don't believe that he has too much chances to make it in Barca.
On the other hand, I adore Rakitic, and I had huge faith in Kovacic, so it is not as if I (or my friends) hate Croatian players.

So, I won't enter into too much debates how he would fit in Barca.
But in any other stronger team, he should play as a winger in 433, 4231 or 442.
Or he can be an Amc-Amr in some teams where the whole team will be built around him (like Chile around Alexis, for example).

I don't want to write in this topic too often, because people will get pissed if we write something like this.
I can "survive" with posts when people write that he will be good enough to be a Rw here. There are some slim chances for that...
But when people say: we don't need new midfielders, we have Denis, Halil, Samper and similar. Well, those players are totally unproven, plus Samper and Halil are not Cms at all...

(So, there are some slim chances for him to be a Rw here.
But since we have Messi...)
 
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Gnidrologist

Senior Member
I really don't get this shit about his weak IQ. Have you watched even a single match for Gijon? It seems you still assess him from times he was 15-16 year old. He has fine understanding of game and makes killer passes on regular bases. And THAT in probably shittiest team in La Liga, where nobady has any sort of tactical awareness and technical abilities of donkeys. Seriously, even Levante and Granada are better teams. All Gijon can do is park the buss and pray. In context such as this, he's doing tremendously well.
 

SKS-

New member
Didn't get to see the match, but based on these highlights I think he played a good game given the circumstances. Had a couple of miscues, but also looked quite good on the ball.

The run he makes at 2:40 epitomizes the nature of his situation at Gijon. Really want to see him play with a better side and develop the other areas of his game.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Ï would prefer if he stayed at Gijon untill the summer - but here's a crazy idea, what if we shipped Munir and Sandro out and take Hali back? He can't be worse than those two at the moment and they get a lot of minutes. Hali could play RW or we could play some sort of 4-4-2 with Hali behind two strikers or out wide to the right like Roberto did.
 

Topolino

Gemusesuppe
Not anymore. Aleix and Arda can play in RW and we might add Nolito too.

Would've been a good idea in the summer tho.
 

ZenI

Professor Balthazar
Not anymore. Aleix and Arda can play in RW and we might add Nolito too.

Would've been a good idea in the summer tho.

I just have a bad feeling about Aleix and I don't think we'll buy/loan Nolito, and Arda will be used more in midfield - Roberto is the only player I think could play RW without us loosing to much quality and Arda on LW. Aleix should be played on RB, he doesn't have what it takes to succeed on RW - but that's only judging from what I've seen so far, hope I'm wrong.
 

God Serena

New member
Ï would prefer if he stayed at Gijon untill the summer - but here's a crazy idea, what if we shipped Munir and Sandro out and take Hali back? He can't be worse than those two at the moment and they get a lot of minutes. Hali could play RW or we could play some sort of 4-4-2 with Hali behind two strikers or out wide to the right like Roberto did.

So... would he have scored a hat trick against away at Asspanyol?
 

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