Alexis Sanchez

Poor_Sunyol

In Lucho we trust!
I would like to see space made for Deulofeu and I am not convinced that Sanchez can remain consistent. If we are lucky enough to get a good season out of him, then cut our losses and try and make back some of what we bought him for. We have plenty of players for his position anyway with Pedro, Tello, Neymar, Messi and Deulofeu in the squad for the 2014/2015 season (and not forgetting Cuenca, Bojan, Afellay and some of the B team players that could be promoted). We could use the money to invest in the two positions that we need to fill, namely GK and CB, both of which are not going to come cheaply.
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
I would like to see space made for Deulofeu and I am not convinced that Sanchez can remain consistent. If we are lucky enough to get a good season out of him, then cut our losses and try and make back some of what we bought him for. We have plenty of players for his position anyway with Pedro, Tello, Neymar, Messi and Deulofeu in the squad for the 2014/2015 season (and not forgetting Cuenca, Bojan, Afellay and some of the B team players that could be promoted). We could use the money to invest in the two positions that we need to fill, namely GK and CB, both of which are not going to come cheaply.

Sorry but none of those players are better than Alexis. Getting rid of him just to play any of those would be a downgrade for the team, except perhaps Pedro, if he can regain his form of 2 years ago.

If you get rid of Alexis, it is because you brought someone better from the outside. A Marco Reus for instance.
 
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Flavia

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I would like to see space made for Deulofeu and I am not convinced that Sanchez can remain consistent. If we are lucky enough to get a good season out of him, then cut our losses and try and make back some of what we bought him for. We have plenty of players for his position anyway with Pedro, Tello, Neymar, Messi and Deulofeu in the squad for the 2014/2015 season (and not forgetting Cuenca, Bojan, Afellay and some of the B team players that could be promoted). We could use the money to invest in the two positions that we need to fill, namely GK and CB, both of which are not going to come cheaply.
Deulofeu won't be ready next season. Bojan and Afellay are good as gone too. Cuenca might have a shot, but I doubt it. So if Alexis manages to have a great season, keeping him one more season won't hurt.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Sorry but none of those players are better than Alexis. Getting rid of him just to play any of those would be a downgrade for the team, except perhaps Pedro, if he can regain his form of 2 years ago.

If you get rid of Alexis, it is because you brought someone better from the outside. A Marco Reus for instance.

And why would Marco Reus be better than Alexis? Give me arguments. I've seen recently a list posted here which shows that Alexis is in top 10 assists + goals scored for club and country in 2013. That's some stat. A stat wich shows consistency throughout all year, not just one or two months. If Alexis continues on this path, it will be very very hard to find a player of his caliber to replace him. I wouldn't switch Alexis for anyone right now. Not even for Aguero, let alone M. Reus, who's a little overrated IMO. Sanchez = Aguero > Reus > Hazard.
 
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Patty2720

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I would like to see space made for Deulofeu and I am not convinced that Sanchez can remain consistent. If we are lucky enough to get a good season out of him, then cut our losses and try and make back some of what we bought him for. We have plenty of players for his position anyway with Pedro, Tello, Neymar, Messi and Deulofeu in the squad for the 2014/2015 season (and not forgetting Cuenca, Bojan, Afellay and some of the B team players that could be promoted). We could use the money to invest in the two positions that we need to fill, namely GK and CB, both of which are not going to come cheaply.
you are kidding right?

For club and country this season:


Messi: 10 games, 13 goals and 4 assists = 10/17

Neymar: 16 games, 6 goals and 10 assists = 16/16

Alexis: 15 games, 9 goals and 6 assists = 15/15

Pedro: 15 games, 5 goals and 3 assists = 15/8


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Alexis needs to stay, period!
 

FCBarca

Mike the Knife
I would like to see space made for Deulofeu and I am not convinced that Sanchez can remain consistent. If we are lucky enough to get a good season out of him, then cut our losses and try and make back some of what we bought him for. We have plenty of players for his position anyway with Pedro, Tello, Neymar, Messi and Deulofeu in the squad for the 2014/2015 season (and not forgetting Cuenca, Bojan, Afellay and some of the B team players that could be promoted). We could use the money to invest in the two positions that we need to fill, namely GK and CB, both of which are not going to come cheaply.


Come on Sunny, even I came around on Alexis after heading to the ledge last season but you're not letting go of your bias...He's been instrumental, cannot deny it and we can perhaps finaly acknowledge that the corner has indeed been turned...It's early, of course, as it is for Cesc but Sanchez has been as consistent as Neymar or Leo - for both club & country...They're all on a roll and they all represent our attack, I love it...If Pedro can be more consistent than last season, he will represent a deadly alternate for the Chilean and then there's still the bullet in Tello...We're just a tall striker away from having a very formidable attack at Tata's disposal - for me, the best in the world
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
And why would Marco Reus be better than Alexis? Give me arguments. I've seen recently a list posted here which shows that Alexis is in top 10 assists + goals scored for club and country in 2013. That's some stat. A stat wich shows consistency throughout all year, not just one or two months. If Alexis continues on this path, it will be very very hard to find a player of his caliber to replace him. I wouldn't switch Alexis for anyone right now. Not even for Aguero, let alone M. Reus, who's a little overrated IMO. Sanchez = Aguero > Reus > Hazard.

I've already talked about this, you need only go back a page on this thread to read my arguments. And in case some people have reading comprehension problems, nowhere have I expressed the desired to get rid of Alexis, nor have I said Reus is better than Alexis.

You are foolish if you think Reus is overrated.
 

Pepe Silvia

Active member
Reus is definitely not overrated he is a class footballer no doubt. Alexis is starting to come out of his shell, obviously thanks to the respect and confidence that Tata has shown him. Ways you can tell:
-He isn't falling over as much
-His numbers have risen
-He is beating defenders
-He is challenging defenders

It's exciting to finally watch him with confidence and it kind of begs the question, was Tito really cut out for the job having players like Cesc, Alexis, and Bartra crumbling under the spotlights for lack of confidence?
 

serghei

Senior Member
Alexis has been playing extremely well of late, there is no doubt. I'd actually go as far as to say he will get even better still with more confidence and playing time. However, the fact remains Alexis is not the ideal player for that wing, on this team.

Barca's midfield is creative and outstanding at game control, however Barca's midfield is not a scoring midfield. None of the players are proficient at scoring from a midfield position, save Fabregas. With this in mind, Barca needs scoring forwards much more than they need creative and play building forwards.
It would be ideal if they had forwards that could do both, like the genius Messi does, and like Neymar is perhaps close to becoming, however Sanchez is not, at this point.
His nice goal scoring form of late is perhaps a sign of changes to come, however I still feel he is not a natural goal scorer, and perhaps he'll never become one.

This is why Pedro fits so well. He is a scoring forward, and even though he is not great nor world class, merely good, he still is able to shine at Barca.

Tello hasn't really shown to be in any of the two categories. He is not particularly a creative forward, even though he has shown to be a capable crosser; nor has he shown to be a particularly adept scorer. IMO Tello would be better suited to an open style league like the EPL or Seria A, where he can better exploit his speed and crossing ability. There is where he should go, be it sold or loaned, and then perhaps we can find if he ever becomes a better scorer.

I can agree with some of the things you say here, except for what is related to Alexis. Barca's midfield is creative, but it's creativeness is starting to become limited when facing tough, defensive teams. Xavi cannot take the ball and dribble one, two opponents to open up the play. Neither Iniesta, nor Cesc Fabregas. Neither of these 3 are dribblers. They are flare players that can do wonders with the ball, that's true, but they seldom engage in 1 vs 1's duels. They don't have strenght and insane speed.

Alexis, Neymar and Messi, those three can dribble. All three have explosion, fast legs and can destabilize pretty much every defence. They can bring what the sistem is failing do deliver from time to time, which is creativity, unpredictability, penetrating force. Now, what we need is players who can take on and beat their man on a constant basis. And out of the four players we have, Pedro is the one who lacks penetrating power the most. Scoring goals in easy matches is OK, but it's not what makes a season great. Winning those tough matches counts the most, and someone who can dribble in the difficult areas of the pitch is essential for the team.

The new and improved Alexis is a player who can trigger a run and can easily take out 2-3 opponents, creating superiority not by passing, but by dribbling in full speed mode. Messi, Neymar and Alexis are the kind of players who can decide games on their own, no wonder all three are pillars for their national teams.
 

serghei

Senior Member
Come on Sunny, even I came around on Alexis after heading to the ledge last season but you're not letting go of your bias...He's been instrumental, cannot deny it and we can perhaps finaly acknowledge that the corner has indeed been turned...It's early, of course, as it is for Cesc but Sanchez has been as consistent as Neymar or Leo - for both club & country...They're all on a roll and they all represent our attack, I love it...If Pedro can be more consistent than last season, he will represent a deadly alternate for the Chilean and then there's still the bullet in Tello...We're just a tall striker away from having a very formidable attack at Tata's disposal - for me, the best in the world

A truly great post. "As consistent as Neymar and Messi", couldn't have said it better myself. And about his goal scoring abilities, there is a massive improvement in that aspect too. I took a look at his goal vs Ecuador. That's a great piece of football right there. Not at all an easy goal to score.
 

Trickykid

Active member
I can agree with some of the things you say here, except for what is related to Alexis. Barca's midfield is creative, but it's creativeness is starting to become limited when facing tough, defensive teams. Xavi cannot take the ball and dribble one, two opponents to open up the play. Neither Iniesta, nor Cesc Fabregas. Neither of these 3 are dribblers. They are flare players that can do wonders with the ball, that's true, but they seldom engage in 1 vs 1's duels. They don't have strenght and insane speed.

I'm sorry, but I had to stop reading here. I actually did a real life wtf!, and had to go back and re-read, as I thought I had misunderstood something. Iniesta not a good dribbler? Seriously? In my eyes he's one of the very best in the world. True, he's not insanely fast, neither does he possess impressive strenght, but he makes up for this through his out-of-this-world skill and ball control. The way he breezes past his opponents is second only to Messi, as I see it, and I honestly can't fathom how anyone could not classify him as an absolutely one of a kind dribbling wizard.
Without checking, I'd imagine he's be at least in the top 5 dribblers last season in La Liga - possibly even in the top 3.

I'm completely flabbergasted. Really.

Edit: check out this video, if you bother:

The part against Spartak Moscow (at 4:22'ish), even though it really doesn't amount to anything, always make me cackle like a lunatic.
 
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