Alexis Sanchez

[Sumlit]

Oh please, stop clutching for those straws, will you. Alexis is brilliant when playing for Chile, everybody and their dogs can can see that. He basically runs the show. Can you say the same about Pedro?

Besides, if you really value Di Maria at 35M too, I begin to see the problem...

Which straws am I clutching, pray tell? Did I say Pedro was better? No. Did I say he played better and/or did more for the NT than Alexis? No. Did I say Alexis does not play great for Chile? No. Don't know where you're coming up with me clutching at straws.

Pedro was merely brought up to solidify the point that Alexis' Barca stats were almost matched by someone else who is clearly inferior in overall talent. That at least gives some support to the claim Alexis would not necessarily be raking up similar, let alone superior numbers for another team, hence he would not be valued at €50m by Barca were he playing elsewhere as you suggested.

Stop trying to infer more than I'm implying.

Not to the extent Alexis does; he has 5 assists in the past 2 games! If he was the core of a team then he would rack up assists at an absolutely ludicrous rate.

5 assists in a couple of friendlies vs Egypt and Northern Ireland, lets not get carried away here. Yes he plays well with the creative freedom he has with Chile, but lets not go overboard.

Alexis had just 4 assists in all of Conmebol World Cup Qualifiers with Chile, in 14 games played. Hardly racking up assists at an absolutely ludicrous rate. Lets not overrate stats from friendlies.

 

[Sumlit]

For me Alexis is worth 35-40M at least. And di maria is worth more. Your number would have been correct 2 years back. Mata 45 Ozil 50 Luiz 50M Bale 100M. Now think again and give me the correct value.

We can't account for inflation and other factors. That would be far too much speculating. We cannot predict clubs losing their minds and bidding €50m for Luiz and use that as a barometer going forward.

For me, fair market value for Alexis right now is around €30m. Could you get more, maybe. You could also get less. I don't see teams lining up €50m bids for Alexis right now, let alone €40m.

 

[Trickykid]

Which straws am I clutching, pray tell? Did I say Pedro was better? No. Did I say he played better and/or did more for the NT than Alexis? No. Did I say Alexis does not play great for Chile? No. Don't know where you're coming up with me clutching at straws.

Pedro was merely brought up to solidify the point that Alexis' Barca stats were almost matched by someone else who is clearly inferior in overall talent. That at least gives some support to the claim Alexis would not necessarily be raking up similar, let alone superior numbers for another team, hence he would not be valued at €50m by Barca were he playing elsewhere as you suggested.

Stop trying to infer more than I'm implying.

Right, let's see here...

You start by claiming that Alexis wouldn't get stats like he has at Barca anywhere else, insinuating he's not as good as his stats tell he is. I then claim that he already has that at Chile. Then you suddenly derail the argument by bringing Pedro into the equation. It doesn't make sense when my initial gripe was your whole "he's only got good stats because he plays at Barca"-argument.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you claimed more than once that he'd be way better at a team, that catered better to his playstyle? (at least we can agree on that...) If that's the case, wouldn't he be able to rake up even more assists and goals there?

 

[KingMessi]

Juventus offered Alexis Sanchez a 4-year contract worth 4.1M a year. Player agrees. Juventus not willing to pay more than 18M. [tuttosport]

Juve can fuck off with an offer like that.

 

[Sumlit]

Right, let's see here...

You start by claiming that Alexis wouldn't get stats like he has at Barca anywhere else, insinuating he's not as good as his stats tell he is. I then claim that he already has that at Chile. Then you suddenly derail the argument by bringing Pedro into the equation. It doesn't make sense when my initial gripe was your whole "he's only got good stats because he plays at Barca"-argument.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't you claimed more than once that he'd be way better at a team, that catered better to his playstyle? (at least we can agree on that...) If that's the case, wouldn't he be able to rake up even more assists and goals there?

You don't think playing in Barcelona augments offensive player's stats? Come on man. Barcelona, arguably the most offensive minded club there is, absolutely augments their players offensive stats. This is beyond argument. Alexis has a ton of his offensive production borne out of team offense.
Pedro is the perfect example to this argument. He definitely did not have a very good season when you watched him play, specially towards the end. Yet there he is, with very good statistics to belie his actual average to poor play throughout the year.

I've said Alexis is more suited to a different role, he'd be more efficient playing differently, yet that does not mean he'd have better offensive stats, whether here or in another team.

 

[Icarium]

We can't account for inflation and other factors. That would be far too much speculating. We cannot predict clubs losing their minds and bidding €50m for Luiz and use that as a barometer going forward.

For me, fair market value for Alexis right now is around €30m. Could you get more, maybe. You could also get less. I don't see teams lining up €50m bids for Alexis right now, let alone €40m.

Considering the position we are in 30M is the figure we can get max but 18M seriously. Who do they think they are?? It is so much worse than cesc if it happens. But if chile plays for club like say chelsea or real madrid they won't sell him for anything less than 35M. Di maria is whole different thing he is worth 50M. Real won't let him anything less than that. Plus we are talking about their value depending on the quality of the player not on the incompetent board. Our board will sell neymar for 35M if given chance.

 

[Trickykid]

You don't think playing in Barcelona augments offensive player's stats? Come on man. Barcelona, arguably the most offensive minded club there is, absolutely augments their players offensive stats. This is beyond argument. Alexis has a ton of his offensive production borne out of team offense.
Pedro is the perfect example to this argument. He definitely did not have a very good season when you watched him play, specially towards the end. Yet there he is, with very good statistics to belie his actual average to poor play throughout the year.

I've said Alexis is more suited to a different role, he'd be more efficient playing differently, yet that does not mean he'd have better offensive stats, whether here or in another team.

Of course we score loads of goals, but our tally is by no means unique. Both RM, Liverpool and City had more league goals than us this season, while there's a number of other top clubs out there with a bit fewer, but far from heavily out-gunned. Alexis at Liverpool or City isn't that far fetched, is it?

 

[Sumlit]

Considering the position we are in 30M is the figure we can get max but 18M seriously. Who do they think they are?? It is so much worse than cesc if it happens. But if chile plays for club like say chelsea or real madrid they won't sell him for anything less than 35M. Di maria is whole different thing he is worth 50M. Real won't let him anything less than that. Plus we are talking about their value depending on the quality of the player not on the incompetent board. Our board will sell neymar for 35M if given chance.

Just as I think €50m is way overvaluing Alexis, €18m is most certainly undervaluing him. There is not sense in selling him for that low a sum.

Don't think Madrid would get anywhere near €50m for di Maria should they decide to sell him. There's only really a handful of teams capable and crazy enough to pay that kind of money for him, and then you have to account for interest in and by the player.

I only see PSG(unlikely given their FIFA sanctions and current offensive players), Monaco(doubtful) and maybe some crazy Russian club(doubt di Maria would want to go there) paying that kind of money for him.

 

[CatalinR10]

Sumlit , jugadorazo is a beast worth at 50 M .

 

[KingMessi]

That gif is godly.

 

[Sumlit]

Of course we score loads of goals, but our tally is by no means unique. Both RM, Liverpool and City had more league goals than us this season, while there's a number of other top clubs out there with a bit fewer, but far from heavily out-gunned. Alexis at Liverpool or City isn't that far fetched, is it?

No it isn't, but I strongly doubt Alexis would score in the 20s at Liverpool or City. He might assist more, that I could certainly see, but not score more.

 

[Sumlit]

Catalinutz never fails.

 

[Trickykid]

No it isn't, but I strongly doubt Alexis would score in the 20s at Liverpool or City. He might assist more, that I could certainly see, but not score more.

I think we've stretched this long enough now, but let's go by your logic and assume that he'd score a bit less and assist a bit more. That'd keep his combined haul at status quo and thus in turn equal his stats here at Barca, winning me this whole argument that he could indeed replicate his stats elsewhere!

 

[Alik]

No it isn't, but I strongly doubt Alexis would score in the 20s at Liverpool or City. He might assist more, that I could certainly see, but not score more.

If Sturridge can do it, I'm sure Alexis could.

 

[Icarium]

No it isn't, but I strongly doubt Alexis would score in the 20s at Liverpool or City. He might assist more, that I could certainly see, but not score more.

He don't need to score 20+ goals. 15 goals and 15 assists in EPL is very good.