André Gomes

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Dude, come on now, in our financial position, do you really, honestly believe that we'd make a potentially 50m rated transfer out of spite?

Dude...

I'm not saying they did, the press are. And it seems plausible considering Barto casually leaking this to reporters a day in advance of when the announcement was supposed to take place.

 

[xXKonan]

You mean this?

Right on cue then.

 

[Aryagorn]

Hey now, be careful what you utter. If, tom, you praise his performances to the disagreement of the more learned members, you'll be accused of fanboying his looks.

Personally, don't find him all that attractive. What say my fellow BF sisters?

On that note, I'm tempted to start a poll to ascertain BF's favorite to win Mr. FcBarcelona, a beauty pageant if there was one. Gomez, Piqué, Bravo, MAtS, Denis, S.Roberto, Raki, Neymar...Surely BBZ votes for NeyNey...

who else?

Mr. Shakira hands down

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

1. Rakitić is not going anywhere.

2. What revenge for Danilo deal?

3. It's your and this board popular opinion that we needed a "control MF" not Lucho's. We won't have a midfielder like Xavi probably ever again so we should stop looking for his "clone" when buying midfielders. Lucho has changed the focus of this team from strong midfield to MSN and he's willing to give up some of midfield control. We should accept that we won't go back to the times of Pep's tiki-taka but we can still be successfull as we have been over the last two seasons.

Gomes will undoubtely bring his qualities to the team. I wasn't really expecting we'll sign him (or any other midfielder beside Denis) this season but now that he's here he deserves to get a fair chance. I think he'll be a very good player for us.

4. We'll get backup forward as well. We can move some money from next year transfer budget as there is very likely we won't need to invest big next summer. Only possible position to improve would be RB if Roberto/Vidal don't work out but I think they (at least one of them) will. Other positions will be all well covered.

1. I'm not 100% sold on that. While if someone leaves, it'll more likely be Arda, I would at least be annoyed with this if I was Rakitic as well. His agent wouldn't have tweeted that if they weren't at least surprised by the move.

2. Sport are reporting a motivating factor in this signing was the fact that Real Madrid swooped in real quick last summer to steal Danilo from us after we had been chasing him as our Dani replacement for sometime and he had a friendship with Neymar. Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise considering how poor he's looked for Real but they at least are reporting that this move perhaps is a bit of revenge from Barto on Perez.

3. I don't disagree with you that Lucho doesn't have the same requirements in MFs as Pep did and I'm not saying we have to go back to slow tiki-taka with no counters. But irrespective of the fact that our style has evolved a bit from Pep's tiki-taka, we still are at our best when we have a lions share of the ball, have control of the center of the pitch and can dictate the tempo of the game. There are players who aren't Xavi clones but still demonstrate this ability and for me, our lack of control at times tactically is the only real weakness we have now that our defense is stronger. Like I'm not digging at Gomes at all, there are definite things in his game that will go really well for our style and I am excited to see him play. My only thing is for roughly 50 mil total, we could have paid an extra 10 and gotten someone like Verratti and he will take minutes away from mainly Rafinha, a player who I think has a lot more potential than people give him credit for here on the forum.

4. We really should have locked down a 4th striker before this just in case someone else becomes interested in a striker we sign and we have to outbid them.

 

[Trickykid]

1. I'm not 100% sold on that. While if someone leaves, it'll more likely be Arda, I would at least be annoyed with this if I was Rakitic as well. His agent wouldn't have tweeted that if they weren't at least surprised by the move.

2. Sport are reporting a motivating factor in this signing was the fact that Real Madrid swooped in real quick last summer to steal Danilo from us after we had been chasing him as our Dani replacement for sometime and he had a friendship with Neymar. Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise considering how poor he's looked for Real but they at least are reporting that this move perhaps is a bit of revenge from Barto on Perez.

3. I don't disagree with you that Lucho doesn't have the same requirements in MFs as Pep did and I'm not saying we have to go back to slow tiki-taka with no counters. But irrespective of the fact that our style has evolved a bit from Pep's tiki-taka, we still are at our best when we have a lions share of the ball, have control of the center of the pitch and can dictate the tempo of the game. There are players who aren't Xavi clones but still demonstrate this ability and for me, our lack of control at times tactically is the only real weakness we have now that our defense is stronger. Like I'm not digging at Gomes at all, there are definite things in his game that will go really well for our style and I am excited to see him play. My only thing is for roughly 50 mil total, we could have paid an extra 10 and gotten someone like Verratti and he will take minutes away from mainly Rafinha, a player who I think has a lot more potential than people give him credit for here on the forum.

4. We really should have locked down a 4th striker before this just in case someone else becomes interested in a striker we sign and we have to outbid them.

1. The dude who tweeted that isn't Raki's agent.
2. Again, I simply refuse to believe spite and revenge plays much (if any) role in a 50m deal like this one.
3. You won't get Verratti for 60m, hell, you won't get him for twice that either. I agree about Rafinha, though, and unless Lucho would rather use him as winger, he's going to see very little plying time, which is a crying shame.
4. How would you go about this? Apparently the board saw an opportunity and jumped on it before Real could reel in the fish. I doubt it would've been possible to ask Gomes (and Mendes for that matter) to delay the deal until we had concluded our striker signing.

 

[Topolino]

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Calm yo Umtitis.

 

[Messi983]

1. I'm not 100% sold on that. While if someone leaves, it'll more likely be Arda, I would at least be annoyed with this if I was Rakitic as well. His agent wouldn't have tweeted that if they weren't at least surprised by the move.

2. Sport are reporting a motivating factor in this signing was the fact that Real Madrid swooped in real quick last summer to steal Danilo from us after we had been chasing him as our Dani replacement for sometime and he had a friendship with Neymar. Perhaps it was a blessing in disguise considering how poor he's looked for Real but they at least are reporting that this move perhaps is a bit of revenge from Barto on Perez.

3. I don't disagree with you that Lucho doesn't have the same requirements in MFs as Pep did and I'm not saying we have to go back to slow tiki-taka with no counters. But irrespective of the fact that our style has evolved a bit from Pep's tiki-taka, we still are at our best when we have a lions share of the ball, have control of the center of the pitch and can dictate the tempo of the game. There are players who aren't Xavi clones but still demonstrate this ability and for me, our lack of control at times tactically is the only real weakness we have now that our defense is stronger. Like I'm not digging at Gomes at all, there are definite things in his game that will go really well for our style and I am excited to see him play. My only thing is for roughly 50 mil total, we could have paid an extra 10 and gotten someone like Verratti and he will take minutes away from mainly Rafinha, a player who I think has a lot more potential than people give him credit for here on the forum.

4. We really should have locked down a 4th striker before this just in case someone else becomes interested in a striker we sign and we have to outbid them.

1. That was Rakitić's ex agent. Look at his thread.

2. It's Sport, I don't take anything too serious from them. I don't believe we'd really buy a player just as a revenge, especially not for that price. Lucho clearly must like Gomes and has plans for him.

3. We'd get one boot of Verratti for 60M and I don't see any available player similar to him in that price range that is really much better than Gomes. Some people wanted Gundogan but I believe we were just too afraid of his injury history to really consider him and he'd probably also prefered Man City offer anyway because it was financially better and Pep promised him a more important role than he'd have here (at least for the next season or two).

Gomes fix transfer fee is also 35M, not 50M or 60M. I don't know all details but if we'll have to pay all bonuses Gomes and/or Barça as a team will probably be successfull which is what we all want. Compare that to 120M or whatever ManUtd will have to pay for Pogba and I think it's a decent price in todays crazy market. We also had success with our last three signings from Valencia (Villa, Alba, Mathieu).

And yes, agree about Rafinha. Lucho likes him though and he'll find a way to get him on the pitch.

4. We have reportedly a deal with Atletico for Vietto, now just need to convince him to join us (playing time is of course his main concern). I don't think there will be a lot of competition for him except Sevilla (who can't financially compete with us and is only willing to take him on loan with buy option or include him in a deal for Gameiro; but Atleti are apparently also reluctant to pay close to 40M for Gameiro because of his age). We won't go into a bidding war or overpay for any forward anyway. If we'd be willing to do that we'd already pay 40M for Gameiro. And as much as some people think that Gomes was unneccesary signing (and I can agree to that to some extent) we can probably agree that paying 35M for Gomes is a much better longterm investment than buying 29 yo backup forward for 40M.

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

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Calm yo Umtitis.

Is this a thing here now? And if it isn't, can we make it one?

Yeah, we got a pretty stacked MF now. A Gomes-Busi-Raki MF would just be steel and counters for days.

 

[Wick]

His agent wouldn't have tweeted that if they weren't at least surprised by the move.

Except it isn't his agent. Confirmed by Rakitic. Quit looking for drama where there is none.

 

[Barcilliant]

The grass isn't always greener on the other side,people should always remember this.


You can have a lot of doubts about our own La Masia players and how they might end just being squad players, you are probably right.but then again that doesn't mean the young player we are signing is better just because they looked good in inferior teams.
Denis Suarez looked like a player a PL club would have splashed 30-40M if they we didn't have a buyback option while playing with a team that last year was vastly superior than Valencia
Rafinha was La Liga young player of the year while playing in Celta.he was just 20 that year.


Just because Andre was good with Valencia,doesn't mean he is gonna be good here.you know that and for that that is the doubt about the deal.How good our own young lads isn't a reason to say this is a good or bad deal.it is how good Andre himself.
He is a jack of all trades master of non for me,he is overall good passer but he won't break defenses with his passing,he isn't slow but not quick either,he can make little dribble to keep the ball but not to break tight defenses like Iniesta can.He is good but not gr8 shooter.The list goes on.In other words he is good who can be gr8 but not anywhere there right now.

As for your previous post,yes old Tiki-Taka is almost gone.but Rijkaard barca (as much as I loved it) won't get you past CL quarter finals this days without RM type of luck.
Right now we have two very strong players in midfield with Busquets & Rakitic. adding a 3rd one in Gomes won't improve that midfield. yeah he will look good for rotation but are we possibly paying 50M for a rotation player? Or for the future replacement of Iniesta?
Because right now if Iniesta is injured a midfield of Busquets/Rakitic/Gomes is a downgrade.I might actually prefer Denis in such line up and I am convinced he is more of LW.

He has the potential to be gr8,but potential isn't something I would pay 35-50M for.Not for a player of that level,may be for a Neymar/Martial type of potential but not Andre.Neither I would say it is the best option to pay such money for a 3rd option for our 2 Man CM's.He is a player who can start for half of big teams in Europe,but we aren't just a big team.
If he proves he can be future Iniesta replacement he is a bargain.if not we got ourself a good player on the bench that will be sold with a good value in a few years but it will also mean we will waste good time in the chase of Iniesta replacement

PS:In what universe is Gio and Belletti short FBs?

The Market has changed. Nowadays you pay 50 million for potential. The Marketis ludicrous and will get even worse.

 

[Topolino]

Is this a thing here now? And if it isn't, can we make it one?

Yeah, we got a pretty stacked MF now. A Gomes-Busi-Raki MF would just be steel and counters for days.

Not a thing... yet.

I thought it'd be a bit more polite than the original without Um. And Sammy boy has given me a new way of looking at ummm... melons.

 

[Luftstalag14]

哈哈, how pathetic Perez is

 

[i_bleed_blaugrana]

Except it isn't his agent. Confirmed by Rakitic. Quit looking for drama where there is none.

Okay, get it. Wasn't his agent.

 

[KingMessi]

What is that character(s)?

 

[DonAK]

What is that character(s)?

Chinese.