André Gomes

[LeeRomeno]

Is it a coincidence the doom and gloom merchants who liked to tell us Valverde was a fraud, cant wait to see Barca get thrashed, Messi should leave etc are the ones who are latching on to this thread?

I think not.

Of course not. They are just people who cannot live a day without trying to critizise something and well, considering our season, they have run out of things. Only thing left is our regular scapegoat Gomes.

 

[Trickykid]

Okay, two things.

1.) One month ago is not "Early in the season".
2.) I said "Certain players", because Valverde has tended to rely on players regardless of form. At the time my main gripe was Rakitic, as I said before.

This is damn near nothing to go off of. If you're going to quote mine you're gonna have to dig a little deeper.

Oh please, screw whether this was one, two or three months ago; point remains the same. Your point though, remains farfetched. So by your logic, EV would favor a player he has barely even given minutes, because he plays Raki a lot? I don't see it, I just don't.

Fact of the matter is, Gomes has mainly played lately because he, along with Denis, was the only alternative due to injuries. Now, let's say that he keeps Iniesta, Coutinho, Sergi Roberto and even Dembele out of the team on the flank, then I'll join complaining, but so far there's absolutely no reason to do so.

 

[God Serena]

Oh please, screw whether this was one, two or three months ago; point remains the same. Your point though, remains farfetched. So by your logic, EV would favor a player he has barely even given minutes, because he plays Raki a lot? I don't see it, I just don't.

So first it's "early in the season", but now it's "screw when this was"? Try to keep up with your own arguments, please.

Fact of the matter is, Gomes has mainly played lately because he, along with Denis, was the only alternative due to injuries. Now, let's say that he keeps Iniesta, Coutinho, Sergi Roberto and even Dembele out of the team on the flank, then I'll join complaining, but so far there's absolutely no reason to do so.

You're trying to argue with me over something I said in early December. Listen to yourself. That doesn't have anything to do with Gomes being so bad now. It sure seems like your original attack me on never missing a chance to attack Valverde and Gomes dating back to the beginning of the season is starting to fall a bit flat.

 

[behindbrowneyes]

Ah, Coutinho. The guy who hasn't played for us even a single time. What an enormous loss. I think I get it now. The reason Gomes was benched so often in the first half of the season was because he just couldn't get into this side that was so overflowed with such incredible talent. My bad.

Loss? Coutinho and Iniesta are the two players who are our starters for that position. With a 4-man-mid instead of 3 the options are smaller when 2 are injured. We just have two options atm. Denis or Gomes and I can't blame Valverde for having a personal preference for Gomes since Denis had his chances ealier this season. I know Bob is an option too, but Valverde isn't impressed by Semedo and Bob did well as RB.

The reason why Gomes was benched so often was that Valverde very often played with more or less the strongest eleven which is common use for new coaches in order to get the system going. January is a tough month and we need to rest some of our key players now, so it is no coincidence that Gomes gets more minutes while taking also into consideration that 2 midfielders are injured.

Gomes' minutes very soon will drop since Coutinho is fit now.

 

[Trickykid]

So first it's "early in the season", but now it's "screw when this was"? Try to keep up with your own arguments, please.



You're trying to argue with me over something I said in early December. Listen to yourself. That doesn't have anything to do with Gomes being so bad now. It sure seems like your original attack me on never missing a chance to attack Valverde and Gomes dating back to the beginning of the season is starting to fall a bit flat.

Why are you trying to spin it so the timeframe suddenly matters so much?
Sure, you can hold on to your odd little argument that EV playing Raki equals EV having a hard-on for Gomes despite never playing him during the the first few months of the season.

 

[God Serena]

Why are you trying to spin it so the timeframe suddenly matters so much?

That's the entire basis of your initial attack on me. You literally said I was attacking Valverde for playing Gomes even when he wasn't playing, in the beginning of the season, but then quote mined a statement I made well after the "Beginning of the season". Come on, it's not that difficult.

Sure, you can hold on to your odd little argument that EV playing Raki equals EV having a hard-on for Gomes despite never playing him during the the first few months of the season.

And you're right back here again, talking about the beginning of the season. By December Gomes was playing a lot more. Time frames matter.

 

[Trickykid]

That's the entire basis of your initial attack on me. You literally said I was attacking Valverde for playing Gomes even when he wasn't playing, in the beginning of the season, but then quote mined a statement I made well after the "Beginning of the season". Come on, it's not that difficult.



And you're right back here again, talking about the beginning of the season. By December Gomes was playing a lot more. Time frames matter.

Ya, by early december - when that post chain dates back to - he had a grand total of 201 whooping minutes of La Liga football under his belt... Talk about favoring a player!

 

[God Serena]

Loss? Coutinho and Iniesta are the two players who are our starters for that position.

Iniesta is a starter, but Coutinho? Yeah, right. How is a player who has never step foot on the Camp Nou a starter? You should probably learn the difference between a starter and a player you expect to start. I'd have thought you'd have learned this lesson after everyone expected to see Roberto to return to midfield after we finally signed a real RB.

With a 4-man-mid instead of 3 the options are smaller when 2 are injured. We just have two options atm. Denis or Gomes and I can't blame Valverde for having a personal preference for Gomes since Denis had his chances ealier this season. I know Bob is an option too, but Valverde isn't impressed by Semedo and Bob did well as RB.

I mean, maybe if I could believe our only options are Denis and Gomes, you'd have a point, but I genuinely believe that's bullshit. Just because our coach refuses to acknowledge the B team in most cases doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Most of the time it's not about who's "better", either, since we often win by such large margins with Gomes and/or Denis doing fuck all the entire game.

The reason why Gomes was benched so often was that Valverde very often played with more or less the strongest eleven which is common use for new coaches in order to get the system going. January is a tough month and we need to rest some of our key players now, so it is no coincidence that Gomes gets more minutes while taking also into consideration that 2 midfielders are injured.

Disagreed. First half of the season saw players like Deulofeu, Paco, Digne, Mascherano, Semedo, Paulinho and (early on) Denis all get a decent amount of minutes, and none of those were considered to be part of our strongest XI. And once again, our team is only down 1 midfielder from our usual roster. Coutinho might as well still be in Liverpool for all the minutes we miss from him being hurt.

Gomes' minutes very soon will drop since Coutinho is fit now.

Assumptions that are almost certainly wrong. Unless we're just gonna throw Gomes into the deep end in our knockout games of the CL. You'd probably say Valverde has no choice but to do that, too, though, with this type of logic.

 

[God Serena]

Ya, by early december - when that post chain dates back to - he had a grand total of 201 whooping minutes of La Liga football under his belt... Talk about favoring a player!

I actually think I remember what it was that I was mad about when I made that post. Gomes started the dead rubber in the CL while no La Masia players were on the squad. Seems like some sort of flaw somewhere.

But once again, you're still trying desperately to argue with me over a comment I made in early December. What's going on with you? I always felt like you were at least somewhat reasonable, even if we rarely see eye to eye. Hearing you make bullshit claims about me out of the blue was quite surprising. It was even more disappointing to find out that, essentially, that's all this is. Bullshit. You should probably stop now. Your claim made here:

During the beginning of the season he would criticise EV for trusting Gomes too much despite him barely having gotten any minutes

Is absolutely incorrect and you've been trying desperately to move the goalposts in any way to stop yourself from looking like a total idiot.

 

[Trickykid]

I actually think I remember what it was that I was mad about when I made that post. Gomes started the dead rubber in the CL while no La Masia players were on the squad. Seems like some sort of flaw somewhere.

But once again, you're still trying desperately to argue with me over a comment I made in early December. What's going on with you? I always felt like you were at least somewhat reasonable, even if we rarely see eye to eye. Hearing you make bullshit claims about me out of the blue was quite surprising. It was even more disappointing to find out that, essentially, that's all this is. Bullshit. You should probably stop now. Your claim made here:



Is absolutely incorrect and you've been trying desperately to move the goalposts in any way to stop yourself from looking like a total idiot.

This is obviously the other way around, as, again, the timeframe of a few months is completely irrelevant. But hey, good to see you finally acknowledge the meaning of your initial post as a dig at EV.

Btw, did I interpret the last part of your post to behindbrowneyes correct in thinking that Gomes' minutes won't drop now that Coutinho and Iniesta are fit? I have a real hard time seeing that tbh.

 

[God Serena]

This is obviously the other way around, as, again, the timeframe of a few months is completely irrelevant. But hey, good to see you finally acknowledge the meaning of your initial post as a dig at EV.

A few months? Lmao, are you kidding me? If last month we were in the beginning of the season then we're in the beginning of the season right now. Cuz who the fuck cares, it's only a FEW MONTHS. That's got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen. Yeah, sure, it wasn't *actually* the beginning of the season, but it was within a few months of that, so same thing, right? What a joke, dude.

And if your entire point was "You took a random shot at Valverde in December" why not just go out and say that? Because, uh, that's obviously what it was.

Btw, did I interpret the last part of your post to behindbrowneyes correct in thinking that Gomes' minutes won't drop now that Coutinho and Iniesta are fit? I have a real hard time seeing that tbh.

I believe his assumption that Gomes will go back to begging for minutes now that we have Coutinho and Iniesta is false, yes. We'll almost certainly find ourselves in a situation where Gomes is needed in the CL and he'll be even worse than normal because of any extended periods on the bench.

 

[Trickykid]

A few months? Lmao, are you kidding me? If last month we were in the beginning of the season then we're in the beginning of the season right now. Cuz who the fuck cares, it's only a FEW MONTHS. That's got to be one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever seen. Yeah, sure, it wasn't *actually* the beginning of the season, but it was within a few months of that, so same thing, right? What a joke, dude.

And if your entire point was "You took a random shot at Valverde in December" why not just go out and say that? Because, uh, that's obviously what it was.



I believe his assumption that Gomes will go back to begging for minutes now that we have Coutinho and Iniesta is false, yes. We'll almost certainly find ourselves in a situation where Gomes is needed in the CL and he'll be even worse than normal because of any extended periods on the bench.

Uh, yeah that's exactly what is was. What else would it be? And I'll reiterate, what does it matter if the random shot was made in december or september. Nothing changes, as Gomes didn't play early on and nor did he play by early december.

 

[God Serena]

Uh, yeah that's exactly what is was. What else would it be?

If that's your point why exactly are you still desperately trying to argue that September and December are basically the same?

And I'll reiterate, what does it matter if the random shot was made in december or september. Nothing changes, as Gomes didn't play early on and nor did he play by early december.

And I'll reiterate, you're trying to argue over something I said in early December. Perhaps I could give a better explanation of my thought process if you'd have brought it up, oh, I dunno... the day I said it. Or the next day. Or if you were really busy, within the week. Or perhaps within 30 days would have been more appropriate? As it is now you just look like a quote mining fool. I've done it myself in the past but I've kind of, well, grown up. Perhaps you should consider doing the same?

 

[Trickykid]

If that's your point why exactly are you still desperately trying to argue that September and December are basically the same?



And I'll reiterate, you're trying to argue over something I said in early December. Perhaps I could give a better explanation of my thought process if you'd have brought it up, oh, I dunno... the day I said it. Or the next day. Or if you were really busy, within the week. Or perhaps within 30 days would have been more appropriate? As it is now you just look like a quote mining fool. I've done it myself in the past but I've kind of, well, grown up. Perhaps you should consider doing the same?

But... I very much did? You didn't reply, though.

Right, please go ahead and look up how many minutes Gomes has this season. Does that seriously scream teachers pet to you?

 

[God Serena]

But... I very much did? You didn't reply, though.

Looks familiar, but I feel like I didn't respond because my ire wasn't directly aimed at Gomes at the time. Hard to say for sure, though. Either way, I'm interested to see what other posts from the "Beginning of the season" you have from me, since that one kind of falls flat and there's surely dozens more for you to pick from, what with how I "Never miss an opportunity" and all.