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MessiCam
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And you don't think that Valverde is doing the same with his tactics and the use of the very player that was jeered? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
André Gomes
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And you don't think that Valverde is doing the same with his tactics and the use of the very player that was jeered? What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
If he continues trusting you, do we invade and break your legs?
ATLBarcaFan
Senior Member
That play pretty much sums up his Barca career, just painful to watch
ronniecro
Active member
the day this guy leaves the club i will celebrate as a madman,even turan is miles ahead of him
but i can see it already,it is inevitable that he will manage to put some good performances that will result in complete change of opinon and him staying for next season too,it's bound to happen
but i can see it already,it is inevitable that he will manage to put some good performances that will result in complete change of opinon and him staying for next season too,it's bound to happen
FC B
Senior Member
He didn't look good either! Not even compared to what shit of a play he put in Barca shirt.
Ghostmaster
Danger Ahead
Actually people say complete opposite about Arthur, he doesn't look good on youtube videos. Probably because he not flashy, doesn't dribble past 3 defenders and doesn't score goals and yet then you watch games, you can see how effective he is and how good he is at passing. I think we need player like him like air and it's actually a shame we can't bring him sooner.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
I have wrote a few days ago about a theory "how a new guys always looks better and with more potential than the guy who has already failed".
For example:
2014:
People say: a player XX from La Masia will make it.
One year later he turns to be let's say dumb (low IQ).
2015:
We have a new player from La Masia.
People say: this guy will surely make it.
One year later he fails, let's say that this one had poor physique.
2016:
we have another new guy from La Masia.
People say this time: this guy will SURELY make it.
Some others say: you said the same for previous two guys.
People reply: yes, but a guy no1 was dumb and a guy no2 was slow. This guy No3 has way more potential and is not dumb or slow.
One year later, a guy no3 also fails, from some new, 3rd reason, let's say that he is a bad professional on training grounds and injury prone.
Fast forward a to 2018:
We have another guy from La Masia.
Some will say: slow down. You have said exactly the same (he will make it) for all previous guys.
Others will say, as always: BUT, this guy is DIFFERENT, you'll see. Those guys from previous years weren't as talented as him (lol, the same reply every time
)My point: Yes, each guy is different. Each case is unique.
But if the same thing is repeating all the time (each guy looks good and with a high potential while he is in a BTeam or until we buy him), then we should be at least slightly cautious.
Of course that one day some guy will turn out to be a gem.
But if you look back to this forum, people used to talk wonders about the next Xavi/Iniesta named Denis while he was at Villareal and Sevilla.
I am sure that guys who followed Gomes before we signed him thought: he is so good.
Majority of us thought that Arda was awesome while he was at AM.
This is why I am extremely cautious about Arthur and similar players and I am not a fan of posts where people are putting lineups with Arthur as a starter and half of the current guys sold.
For example, in May 2017, people on this forum were talking about Marlon as a sure thing.
He was supposed to be our 3rd or 4th option for this season and a guy for the future:
http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/13842-Marlon-Santos-(loaned-to-Nice)/page24
There were even MD articles how Real Madrid wanted to steal Marlon, lol:
xx said:
MD's front cover saying Real Madrid tried to steal Marlon Santos away from Barcelona in 2016 but couldn't get him. I remember reading an article from MD around July, saying Real offered him better wages and a spot on the first team but he turned them down.
Where is he now?
Currently it is the most likely that he will never play a minute for Barcelona.
My point: majority of young players look awesome on paper and people are blinded by their "future potential".
And majority jump on a hype train every single, not learning anything from the previous 10 mistakes in the last 3-4 years.
So, imo, people should be cautious about Arthur who hasn't played a minute in Europe.
And it is beyond crazy to even mention selling half of our team for youngsters like him.
If he will come here and if he'll set the world on fire, we will sell other players weaker than him.
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God Serena
New member
What BBZ is saying is completely right. Hype dominates perception in the football world. Gomes, Paco, Vidal, Semedo, Mina, Arda, Denis, etc. were all signed with a huge wave of hype and each and every one of them has failed, and there's a very high chance that Arthur will be the same. Three months after Arthur arrives we'll be getting the same excuses we get every time. He's just come to Europe. He's adapting. He has X top class player ahead of him, so of course he's benched. The manager's an idiot. His mistakes weren't that bad, he had a good game anyways. He needs more consistent playing time. And on, and on, and on, until eventually after every game he plays people flood into his thread en masse and lament ever signing such a player based on hype, and anticipate the signing of the next young player (Likely playing currently in Brazil or is at least Brazilian) who certainly this time will be the savior we need.
Honestly aside from Alena (Who will be a free rotation signing next season anyways) I don't see the purpose behind chasing all of these younger players based on what they could become. It disgusts me to even be saying this, but signings like Arda are more of the type we should be looking for, than Arthur, as one was a clearly qualified player who just turned out to be terrible, while the other is only wanted based on Brazilian hype and his age, and is certain to get every single one of the excuses I listed above said for him by the end of March in 2019.
Honestly aside from Alena (Who will be a free rotation signing next season anyways) I don't see the purpose behind chasing all of these younger players based on what they could become. It disgusts me to even be saying this, but signings like Arda are more of the type we should be looking for, than Arthur, as one was a clearly qualified player who just turned out to be terrible, while the other is only wanted based on Brazilian hype and his age, and is certain to get every single one of the excuses I listed above said for him by the end of March in 2019.
Ghostmaster
Danger Ahead
[MENTION=16942]BBZ8800[/MENTION] Well, of course it's a gamble, but at least now we are buying players with right profile. Gomes, Arda, Denis although they were proven in Europe just weren't right fit for us. Brazilian users on here said that Gremio has build the whole team around him and they play possession based football, completely opposite of what Atletico, Valencia or Villareal play.
tacticvarium
New member
Glad there are people here who knows how things should work in Barça.
I also never trust Brazilian hype. Brazilians tend to overrate their national players as if they still live on glory of the past times while in reality, most of them end up as average players. In general, La Masia is enough for gambling when it comes to youth development. When signing a player from outside, the player who is already established in Europe and who can immediately (after short adaptation period obviously) assist the team should be considered first.
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FCBfan22
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Lol.
LeeRomeno
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All is true, also the fact that someone stole your account.
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