Andrés Iniesta

maz

I walk the line
We won't stop until we've converted the nicholas cage impersonator!

By the way, i wonder what alex has to say about iniesta after sevilla match. Alex, feel free to make your point now, and i will gladly reply to you. However before u make a post i dont know what to say. I dont know what u could say after looking at that performance.
 

Miggy

Mr Lover Man
Just had a quick read back at alexjanosik's posts. How on earth can you call yourself a Barça fan and not see how brilliant Iniesta is?

Fair enough we're all entitled to our own opinions but yours on Iniesta is quite frankly ridiculous.
 

alexjanosik

The Game
Where's that guy who said Iniesta isn't a top 5 midfielder?? :D

Against Sevilla Iniesta's game had final output(1 goal and 3 assists).
However he has not been able to produce the same kind of final output consistently enough this season,which is what I was arguing about in my posts.
Against Sevilla his game had that cutting edge,the final piece and he was unstoppable.
If he is consistently able to produce such performances I would have no problem in joining in the chorus and calling him the best midfielder in the world.
 

alexjanosik

The Game
We won't stop until we've converted the nicholas cage impersonator!

By the way, i wonder what alex has to say about iniesta after sevilla match. Alex, feel free to make your point now, and i will gladly reply to you. However before u make a post i dont know what to say. I dont know what u could say after looking at that performance.

If you go back in the thread I have given my opinion about Iniesta's performance against Sevilla.As to whether I have changed my opinion,No I have not.
I have given my reasons in the post above.
 
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Esteve

Guest
Iniesta has performed consistently this season. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't been watching Barça this season.
 

M.L. King

The Preacher
If you ask me, he is our best player currently. :) One doesn't need to have PhD to see this. As STO pointed out, he has been our most consistent player and this is what is most important throughout the long stage of the season. We are very lucky to have a player of such qualities.
 

Evil

Shabazz
Let´s be honest here ... He´s second best to Messi who´s also been consistent this season and scored and assited much more. But ofcourse Iniesta is top class.
 

maz

I walk the line
Iniesta's performance vs sevilla is not an anomoly from what he has done all season. It is the acculmination of all he has done.

Go back to the 05/06 season when he played in a very deep position. He played as the deep-lying central midfielder, with van bommel on one side and deco on the other (i remember the first game rijkaard played him there..he was awesome). That really was a great trio. Now im not saying iniesta should be played back there. That ship has sailed..its obvious his best position is on the left or as a central midfielder. But his talents for those last few CL matches of 2006 were on display for all to see. He could win the ball back (against benfica whenever we had a shot and benfica defence retrieved the ball, within 5 seconds iniesta had won the ball back. Not from a sliding tackle or anything, but by hustling it from the benfica midfield). He also showed his impressive upper-body strength. He is just like romy in that give him the ball and he will protect it like its his child. The only way to get it off him is to foul him. Count the number of times iniesta is tackled in a match compared with the number of times he is in possession of the ball (in fact its something i will do against valencia if he plays). Im very sure the number for each game will be extremely low.

Iniesta is not the best passer of the ball, for sure xavi is better at this than AI. However iniesta has made very clinical passes in his career. Most obvious one is the ball to eto'o in the CL final when sammy scored. But what about the one against sporting for xavi's goal. That was one of the passes of the season.

Iniesta's weak point is his shooting. Even though he scored against sevilla with what was a freakin impressive shot, it is not reflective of his shooting abilities.

Iniesta is also very important in the dressing room. His levels of consistency (such an important factor when rating a player) inspire his teammates. In rijkaard's latter years as coach the one player we could count on to be consistent was iniesta. From what i have heard, in the dressing room the players were looking to him for motivation. His humbleness and ability to just get on with the game was something many of his teammates greatly respected in him.

Yes messi will no doubt go down as one of the greats of all time. However the way iniesta has improved has been shockingly impressive. If he improves his shooting, then as messiniesta said he will be the next zidane. When it comes to all-time greats, below the likes of cruyff/pelé/maradona etc comes the players such as (fat) ronaldo/zidane etc So while messi will, in my opinion, finish his career in the first batch of players, iniesta will finish his career in the second batch. So to compare iniesta to messi now is like comparing zidane to maradona. No one will say zizou was better than maradona, but it is not blasphemy to mention zidane in the same sentence as maradona.

One person whose opinion i would love to hear is beast since i know he has great respect for maradona and zidane.
 
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Esteve

Guest
Bit too close for me to call at the moment, still recovering from Iniesta's performance against Seviila. If Messi has been the world's best player this season, Iniesta is a close 2nd for me.
 

maz

I walk the line
Not to mention, in the Man of the Match votings iniesta has 9 awards (including the one against sevilla) and messi has 10. Iniesta is also just 10 points behind messi in the in-depth ratings, and iniesta was injured for a few games this season.
 
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Esteve

Guest
It'll be interesting to see those ratings at the end of the season. Think Iniesta may just beat Messi to it but I'm probably making a huge mistake by writing Messi off
 

Beast

The Observer
One person whose opinion i would love to hear is beast since i know he has great respect for maradona and zidane.
great post Maz and since you ask for it.. here is what i think
IMO Iniesta will go down in history as one of the best hidden talents of his generation
the same way people forget Garrincha and remember Pele, the same way Ramon Diaz (bet many people didn't hear about him ) was crucified for god (Maradona to common people ) , Zola didn't get the light of day for Baggio till Zola moved later in his career to Cheslea ..etc
Iniesta grow on me.. i didn't notice him at first.. i was surprised when i read Pep said he will be better then Both himself & Xavi cause at first he didn't strike me anyone worth watching .. a good midfielder nothing more..
once again when i read some of Madrid candidates were thinking of paying his 50 Mil release clause in the last elections i was like "Wtf , he is not worth that much "
Iniesta problem he will never get the recognition beyond his own fans .. will always be second best in Barca, will always be over looked
At the same time it's one of his strongest points.. he is like an Assassin .. he comes out of nowhere, dribble with ease you feel like " nah he won't pull it, he won't shoot,he won't score " .. u keep that feeling going on even when its 2/3-0 for Barca
Personally what i noticed the most about Iniesta is his level of consistency .. u can have an off day from Messi to Rafa but not Iniesta.. coming back from Injury / coming from Int. duty.. u'll always get the same performance and the same level from that magical midget ..
Being a great player in the history of football ? i doubt it.. not because he is not worthy or his football is not WC but because Iniesta goes unnoticed he miss this Aura/presence of previous great players .
It's a personal thing about him , while Messi will dribble past 5-6 players to pass the ball to E2 , Iniesta will do the same job with less flashy moves/less time and the simplest of passes he fools everyone
for example Iniesta was impressive in the Euro.. everyone talked about Senna-Xavi -Torres-Villa-Iker.. it's the same for Barca.. the same for Pep who for Cule's is god.. for neutrals & outsiders just a good midfielder
I believe Iniesta will end up bigger then Pep but he won't reach the second batch of players.. not while Messi is here or Iniesta is still in Barca.. his game dictate his fame .. a simple lad who work for the group more then himself .. those players won't reach much in terms of Int. recognition
I'd take Iniesta to Madrid in a heart beat i admire him a lot especially the level of consistency he offer with his talents but i'm afraid he will never be a Zidane or Ronaldo ..sadly .
football legends needs talent & amazing goals.. that's what make people take notice of them.. all those legends u talk about had impressive goals /scored in big occasions/carried their team on their own
.. Iniesta would rather pass the ball in the same situation and give others the spot light ..so as much as they will be time when he will be worthy of Ballon D'or he will be overlooked... as i write this Iniesta do what i'm trying to explain .. one on one.. anyone would score.. Iniesta prefer to give to Messi to score Barca first goal.. classic Iniesta (Iniesta was offside for the record :) )
for the record Zidane would have ended the same way .. until WC 98 when his goals mattered Zidane started to push for goals a little more still preferring to pass but can score some out of this world goals when needed
 

maz

I walk the line
Great post man, really enjoyed reading it. I have a feeling that iniesta will start working on his shooting. He knows that is the one point of his game that is lacking. Goals from the midfield can be very important in scoring that first goal. Especially with iniesta's level of consistency he would be a great threat. Perhaps not now but dont forget he is just 24. Im sure within 2 seasons he will improve his shooting.
 

Beast

The Observer
thanks Maz i forgot to add one thing though in my post..
this season IMHO Iniesta is not a top 5 midfielder.. he is by far the best midfielder in the world there is no player in any league provide similar form over the course of the season.. however i feel once again the trophy will end for whoever win the CL
 

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