Andrés Iniesta

Galning

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Thought he was rather poor today, failed to influence the game and didn't play like a winger at all.

That's probably because he isn't a winger :D
As a lot of people already said; This game was really THE eye-opener that Iniesta on the wing just doesn't work against good teams. We need his awesomeness in midfield.
 

Stric

New member
Iniesta-Fab has been working well for the most of this season, you can't just discredit it all together on the basis of one game, a game in which we missed several open shots at goal and eventually drew in the dying minutes.
 

Deco 20

Scandinavian 101
Iniesta-Fab has been working well for the most of this season, you can't just discredit it all together on the basis of one game, a game in which we missed several open shots at goal and eventually drew in the dying minutes.

With the way RM play it's dangerous to play Iniesta/Cesc on the wings. One of the midfielders should be dropped or the system/tactics changed. This could be Xavi too, but I'd rather have him there than Cesc.
 

ammarfcb

ze special one
i wouldn't say cesc-iniesta combo failed today, the 2 were one of the best players on the pitch. iniesta as i said calmed down all the hectics of the first half within the first 15minutes of the 2nd half along with busi, he didn't offer too much on the wing but then again no one did we were avoiding 'proper' wing play because it's where rm can hit back the quickest. fabregas too contributed to the attack play on a day where there was very little (let's not forget this is real madrid and iniesta-cec not having a hattrick of assist doesn't mean failure), he was in on goal twice and on one occasion scored, that's pretty successful to me.

cliffs:
iniesta - done more of a AM work and composed the game in the second half
fabregas - in on goal twice, scored, involved in game play
SUCCESS
 
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Deco 20

Scandinavian 101
i describe with saying cesc-iniesta combo failed today, it simply didn't the 2 were one of the best players on the pitch. iniesta as i said calmed down all the hectics of the first half within the first 15minutes of the 2nd half along with busi, he didn't offer too much on the wing but then again no one did we were avoiding 'proper' wing play because it's where rm can hit back the quickest. fabregas too contributed to the attack play on a day where there was very little (let's not forget this is real madrid and iniesta-cec not having a hattrick of assist doesn't mean failure), he was in on goal twice and on one occasion scored, that's pretty successful to me.
what?

I don't really agree about the proper wing play part, I believe it's necessary to stretch the game, provide and outlet and press the opposition. It's also less dangerous if Madrid get a throw in than a counter through the middle.
 
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Cule4life

The Culest
Today was the real test for the Iniesta-Fabregas combination and it FAILED. Iniesta is constantly moving inside. No one is hanging on the shoulder of their rightback to pin him back (how many times was Essien allowed to bomb forward and put crosses in?) and Messi has no one to pass to because Iniesta as a CM doesn't make any off-the-ball runs. This formation is the main reason why Madrid can pressure us high up the pitch like maniacs without risking to get punished at the back. Because when Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta or Busquets get the ball, they will play 30 passes in midfield instead of making forward runs / passes and Madrid has all the time in the world to reshape.

+infinity

Just because Iniesta Cesc combination has been good this season our mngt seems to think that it will work against all teams disregarding something called "different tactics against different teams" perfected by Sir Alex. He changes his team almost every week depending on the opposition and they win most of the times. Why is our mngt so stubborn on using one single lineup against all teams :facepalm:
Sometimes during the match it seemed we were playing without a winger on the left flank which made Essien look like a beast. :facepalm:

OT: @Ursegor Quick to jump on the Varane Bandwagon aren't you? :pep:
 
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GiantKiller

New member
Today was the real test for the Iniesta-Fabregas combination and it FAILED. Iniesta is constantly moving inside. No one is hanging on the shoulder of their rightback to pin him back (how many times was Essien allowed to bomb forward and put crosses in?) and Messi has no one to pass to because Iniesta as a CM doesn't make any off-the-ball runs. This formation is the main reason why Madrid can pressure us high up the pitch like maniacs without risking to get punished at the back. Because when Fabregas, Xavi, Iniesta or Busquets get the ball, they will play 30 passes in midfield instead of making forward runs / passes and Madrid has all the time in the world to reshape.

Really? I'm not sure. It didn't work out well enough but it wasn't that bad either. Mostly, it wasn't a case of Cesc, Xavi, Iniesta and Busi playing in a relatively short area of the pitch. I noticed that Iniesta drifted inside only when Cesc pushed up to partner Messi or to provide depth centrally when Messi dropped even deeper. Also, this system is quite useful in keeping ball on tough away grounds and controlling the pace of the game. The tendency to play more directly exploited the fact that Madrid were pushing up to reinforce their midfield and the midfield overload created by Barca may actually have had an effect in narrowing the Madrid defense and a few dangerous chances were created too.

More importantly though, the reason Essien was allowed too much space for my liking was because Iniesta, I feel, didn't do as good a job as he could've defensively and by that, I mean to provide Alba some cover, of course. Messi not having an option when he picks up the ball in that 'left-central' midfield like he often does is because, as you say, of no one making any off-the-ball runs. This was the same situation in the 2-1 loss in the Supercup 2nd leg when we were playing with only a Messi-Pedro frontline. It was Alba who stepped up to play a more attacking role and provided depth from the left. I expected something like that today but perhaps he had a lot of work to do so he couldn't. :O
 
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Noldorin

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That's probably because he isn't a winger :D
As a lot of people already said; This game was really THE eye-opener that Iniesta on the wing just doesn't work against good teams. We need his awesomeness in midfield.

Yep; he just isn't a winger. Fabregas would do better up there; or even as a false 9 as was suggested in his thread (with Messi on the right and Villa/Pedro on the left).
 

Irish_Cules

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Iniesta is by far my favorite football to watch these days. Everything he does is just so graceful. I thought he was excellent for the first 20 mins or so at the start of the second half. He faded a bit towards the end though.
 

hemakesmemessi

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He didnt play much on the wing tonight, certainly didn't hold his position like the others do but he was magic, where ever he was playing.

I cant wait to see his game video for the first half, so many awesome moments. He was our only attacker showing the usual intelligence and composure in the face of the Madrid pressing.
 

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