iced1776
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The more I watch videos of last year the more I realize that a fully fit Andres is what the team is lacking this year. Whether he played on the wing or attacking mid he linked up beautifully with Xavi and Messi, and drew almost as many defenders as Leo did.
Let him take a few weeks to get fully fit and come back at full strength, instead of rushing him back on to the pitch just to get hurt again.
Let him take a few weeks to get fully fit and come back at full strength, instead of rushing him back on to the pitch just to get hurt again.
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barcawin
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my best player, ! hope he demonstrate himself to world!!
MinaFCB
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http://www.sport.es/default.asp?idpublicacio_PK=44&idioma=CAS&idnoticia_PK=674488&idseccio_PK=803
great interview but i dont have time to translate it,try with a translator
great interview but i dont have time to translate it,try with a translator
BADGERBHOY
Senior Member
Have you watched any Spanish football you feckin eejit or cant you see past the English border?
Honestly with this and your claims about Messi you're a laughing stock on here and probably at home too.
Its obvious you're here only to wind people up, very little end product haha :flagvl8:
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justin
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When I explain clearly when I feel Iniesta is overrated its not my fault the Iniesta supporters feel wound up and can only respond with petty insults instead of counter-arguments.
The fact remains that Iniesta is a decent all-rounder but he does not excel at anything and is heavily reliant on the rest of his team to function. He cannot do anything himself because he is simply not good enough defensively or offensively.
Has Iniesta ever shown he can run a game as the primary creative force of the team (as opposed to a complementary player)??
He is a good complementary player but not one of the best in his position.
Being good in possession and a good passer in Barcelona's system does not automatically make him very creative as you seem to think. You could put numerous players in that system and they would look great. Players like Fabregas or Arteta in terms of their passing, creativity and how they would perform just as well if not better in Barcelona's midfield.
The fact remains that Iniesta is a decent all-rounder but he does not excel at anything and is heavily reliant on the rest of his team to function. He cannot do anything himself because he is simply not good enough defensively or offensively.
Has Iniesta ever shown he can run a game as the primary creative force of the team (as opposed to a complementary player)??
He is a good complementary player but not one of the best in his position.
Being good in possession and a good passer in Barcelona's system does not automatically make him very creative as you seem to think. You could put numerous players in that system and they would look great. Players like Fabregas or Arteta in terms of their passing, creativity and how they would perform just as well if not better in Barcelona's midfield.
veryfatchocobo
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Are you sure your counter-arguments to us are really valid arguments? From what I've seen, they've all been petty insults. It's no surprise as to why we say petty things against you. The Madridistas/Chesea-istas/Nuts (your alt) etc. bring good arguments against our opinions here. I wish you were one of them.
From what I've seen, Iniesta is and has been able to do everything you've said. You can keep your opinion, but trying to establish it as fact that he's no where near the top 20 is pushing the limits of the footballing world.
We've put many players in Iniesta's position. Gudjohnsen definitely couldn't do it. Neither could Deco after '06 and '07. Heck, even Hleb, who was class at Arsenal, who has amazing ball control, couldn't match Iniesta's vision and dribbling skills. I thought he had the ability, and he never showed it. Keita's another example. He can't open up defenses in the midfield nearly as effective as Iniesta can. How many more players do I need to list in order for this to get it to your head? You can talk about Cesc and Arteta replacing Iniesta in Barça, but has that ever happened? Nope, didn't think so. This can never be proven.
In the Confed Cup, all the commentators were asking for Iniesta to play for Spain (which includes the US commentators that don't know the game outside England). They even stated that the lack of Iniesta (and Silva) was one of the reasons why they lost the US. Guess who started that game, too. You're beloved Cesc! I take it you thought he'd be the star of the show? If so, you were wrong.
Our formation doesn't have a man in the center to be the "center of attention" anyway. So I still don't see the point of this argument for any of our players. Might as well call every player in our system complementary players as well.
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caelestis
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antiteser är farliga.
Totally agree though. Iniesta+Xavi hasn't been seen yet this season. Hopefully they will get back to old epic football because I kind of miss it and want Zlatan to kill defenses with the same kind of passes that Etooóó was getting.
BADGERBHOY
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haha haha
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FCB_Titi_LB
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justin...u are a fool
why do u think Madridistas wanted Iniesta.
why do u think Man u players like Rooney said he is the best in the world
why do u think Alex Ferguson pointed at him and xavi as the real danger of barca and not messi
why do u think Pep Guardiola said to Xavi (when seeing iniesta at young age) he would out"live" them both
At Barca they teach everyone to protect the ball at all cost/times and even when heavily marked (body positioning and technical skill combined with vision).
Iniesta is not only a master at that but he has the unique gift of penetrating tight defenses combined with/while protecting the ball. He splits defenses or he gets a fault when attacked upon (because of ball protection skills). He never loses the ball, not only when under pressure but even while seeking up danger/pressure (attacking)
why do u think Madridistas wanted Iniesta.
why do u think Man u players like Rooney said he is the best in the world
why do u think Alex Ferguson pointed at him and xavi as the real danger of barca and not messi
why do u think Pep Guardiola said to Xavi (when seeing iniesta at young age) he would out"live" them both
At Barca they teach everyone to protect the ball at all cost/times and even when heavily marked (body positioning and technical skill combined with vision).
Iniesta is not only a master at that but he has the unique gift of penetrating tight defenses combined with/while protecting the ball. He splits defenses or he gets a fault when attacked upon (because of ball protection skills). He never loses the ball, not only when under pressure but even while seeking up danger/pressure (attacking)
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justin
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He might be among the top 20 midfielders, but I wouldn't have him in my top 10 midfielders. For people to be talking about Iniesta to be amongst the top 5 players in the world is plain ridiculous in my opinion.
I'm not suggesting those players are better than Iniesta, but you have to take into account that Iniesta has been playing in the Barcelona system for many years where as those players are new to the system. I talk about Cesc or Arteta because those two can easily match the "amazing ball control" and "vision" and they offer more offensively than Iniesta.
So you've basing your argument about Iniesta being better than Cesc on one single game. Also being a better fit in a system doesn't make one a better player.
The Barcelona system which suits Iniesta makes him appear to be better than he is by virtue of having time/space on the ball, great attacking movement around him and always having an outlet to retain possession. The problem is anything who is good on the ball and with one and two touch passing could do the same.
As I said before many people fail the realise that the Barcelona system makes Iniesta better than he is because he benefits enormously from the movement and passing game of the rest of the side, and does not excel at anything and is heavily reliant on the rest of his team to function.
You talk about Iniesta penetrating tight defenses, but it is Xavi who provides most of the killer passes. People on this board have been making all sorts of excuses for Iniesta lacks of assists, but the bottom line is providing the killer pass against tight defenses is one of the hardest thing to do in bottom, so your argument about Iniesta having a "unique gift of penetrating tight defenses" is wrong.
Iniesta's appearing to "never lose the ball" is mainly due to great attacking movement around him and always having an outlet to retain possession not so much because of his individual qualities.
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FCB_Titi_LB
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dude its like u didnt even read or understand what i said ? I can't be more clear. What i said is something that any other professional colleague or football connaisseur will acknowledge. Your reply is just proof of total ignorance. Have u ever seen Iniesta play?
Anyway, keep your opinion to yourself will ya. You won't find any1 sharing that opinion.
Why dont u go to a Madrid forum and state that CR cant kick a free kick.
hint: go watch some iniesta youtube movies in the iniesta thread. Lots of penetrating individual actions.
Anyway, keep your opinion to yourself will ya. You won't find any1 sharing that opinion.
Why dont u go to a Madrid forum and state that CR cant kick a free kick.
hint: go watch some iniesta youtube movies in the iniesta thread. Lots of penetrating individual actions.
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veryfatchocobo
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XD wow justin. Look who's talking all petty now. It wasn't one match that made me get headaches of Spain in the Confed Cup, it was every game that Iniesta didn't play in. We made Iniesta the super-sub against Italy in that friendly. Guess who made that cross that landed on Cannavaro's head for Villa's volley? Guess who got us to the finals of the Euros with an assist? Guess what made Spain look subpar in every Confed cup match?
If you think not placing Iniesta in the Top 5 is painful, argue with the world then. I wasn't responsible for voting him top 5 for FIFA World Player of the Year and Ballon D'Or. Heck, don't even listen to everybody outside the Arsenal cloud. Might as well disregard Rooney as a player who claims Iniesta is the best player in the world. You probably do anyway since he plays for Man U.
What a contradiction you're making about Iniesta's CM role, also. First you claim that any player will play just as well as Iniesta at his role. Now you claim Iniesta's look better than they because they are new to the system? Give me a break. You're just telling me that you've changed your opinion on this issue entirely. Reminds me of John Kerry's flip-flop fail. Anyway, for partial proof of Cesc, it's not rocket science to know that he is supposed to replace Iniesta on the Spanish team. Every time he played over him, we've lost more or have not been as good. Gee, I wonder why? He's looked amazing as a super-sub when we need to change the midfield roles though.
For your "who is good on the ball and with one and two touch passing" argument, Hleb fits that argument. Like I said, he didn't only prove to be a flop, it proved moreso that Iniesta is much better for that role than anybody who's tried to play that role. And you're going back to that argument again that the system fits only Iniesta. Wait, what about that argument again? Circular much? I think it's you that fails to realize logic, not us or the fans outside Arsenal.
You're just trolling though. I'll stop feeding you.
If you think not placing Iniesta in the Top 5 is painful, argue with the world then. I wasn't responsible for voting him top 5 for FIFA World Player of the Year and Ballon D'Or. Heck, don't even listen to everybody outside the Arsenal cloud. Might as well disregard Rooney as a player who claims Iniesta is the best player in the world. You probably do anyway since he plays for Man U.
What a contradiction you're making about Iniesta's CM role, also. First you claim that any player will play just as well as Iniesta at his role. Now you claim Iniesta's look better than they because they are new to the system? Give me a break. You're just telling me that you've changed your opinion on this issue entirely. Reminds me of John Kerry's flip-flop fail. Anyway, for partial proof of Cesc, it's not rocket science to know that he is supposed to replace Iniesta on the Spanish team. Every time he played over him, we've lost more or have not been as good. Gee, I wonder why? He's looked amazing as a super-sub when we need to change the midfield roles though.
For your "who is good on the ball and with one and two touch passing" argument, Hleb fits that argument. Like I said, he didn't only prove to be a flop, it proved moreso that Iniesta is much better for that role than anybody who's tried to play that role. And you're going back to that argument again that the system fits only Iniesta. Wait, what about that argument again? Circular much? I think it's you that fails to realize logic, not us or the fans outside Arsenal.
You're just trolling though. I'll stop feeding you.
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diegomessi
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no andres no Cl final...no andres no gol for etoo against united... no andres no treble no treble no sexta campions... rest my case
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