Arthur

Sorin

Well-known member
I couldn't find it on Google. Maybe it was on video.


Yeah, I doubt the difference is that big. He probably lost some fat here and there and added some muscle, but I always felt that his lack of conditioning was always overstated.

Sure, he wasn't accostumed with the pace and rythm of european matches but to actually say that he was fat over and over again as to justify some of EV's inane subs and tactics was pure crap. The hidden agenda against this guy was real.

Btw I'm not talking about you Fin.
 

xXKonan

Senior Member
Yeah, I doubt the difference is that big. He probably lost some fat here and there and added some muscle, but I always felt that his lack of conditioning was always overstated.

Sure, he wasn't accostumed with the pace and rythm of european matches but to actually say that he was fat over and over again as to justify some of EV's inane subs and tactics was pure crap. The hidden agenda against this guy was real.

Btw I'm not talking about you Fin.
You will be surprised how some Catalan Journalists have some weird agenda against Arthur. I remember when we first signed him you had the likes of Josip Capdevila retweeting guys saying "Why do we need Arthur? when we have Puig, Alena, etc"

He shut them up for a while until he went on that small patch of bad form and you had rats like Francesc Aguliar talking shit and then you have the rumor spreads that "He's fat" etc. These same guys often give some of the old guards a pass, guys who happened to be locals or come through La Masia but go all-in against the new guys who don't fit that criteria who happen to go through a poor run for form.

Not all Catalan Journalists are like that but there are some that have some weird-ass agenda against outsiders.
 

Sorin

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You will be surprised how some Catalan Journalists have some weird agenda against Arthur. I remember when we first signed him you had the likes of Josip Capdevila retweeting guys saying "Why do we need Arthur? when we have Puig, Alena, etc"

He shut them up for a while until he went on that small patch of bad form and you had rats like Francesc Aguliar talking shit and then you have the rumor spreads that "He's fat" etc. These same guys often give some of the old guards a pass, guys who happened to be locals or come through La Masia but go all-in against the new guys who don't fit that criteria who happen to go through a poor run for form.

Not all Catalan Journalists are like that but there are some that have some weird-ass agenda against outsiders.

I wouldn't be bothered by it if it had gone unnoticed but when clueless fans lap up everything the media says, especially if it happens to side with their preconcieved opinions, and then spread around the bullshit like it's gospel then it gets irritating.

Meanwhile Arthur's performances against Real Madrid and Tottenham at the begining of the season are as good as any Barca midfielder this side of prime Xavi and Iniesta. Completely bossed Modric, Eriksen and co. If he was fat and performed like that, I can only wish that Rakitic and Busquets feast on some fast food this season. :lol:
 

kattanib

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Quick question .. what makes this guy special? Among all our midfielders, we have 3 that are decent vanillas; jacks of all and masters of none. Rafinha, Roberto and Arthur. Rafinha has been playing in attack for a while so he doesn’t count in this comparison. Roberto is slightly smarter, better passer, better work rate and more familiar with Barca playing style. So my question again is what makes Arthur special? Is it hope for a new Xavi/Iniesta that is making people delusional? Or is it the appeal of the fairy tale of buying an unknown player from the Brazilian league and polishing him to be our midfield savior?

Arthur is a decent player but not close to how many people hype him.
 

Gnidrologist

Senior Member
Given his skillset that isn't at all well spread in today's midfielder market, he has great potential to be top top player, but he really needs to develop his game beyond passive pivot role.
 

mc_lovin

Senior Member
Arthur will succeed. The question is whether it is with us or somewhere else. There are certainly problems in his positiong, but I hope we will work that out.
 
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BBZ8800

Senior Member
He absolutely is - at least for true CMs (not attacking midfielders). Whos better?

I wouldn't call him even a pure Cm but a double pivot player from Tite's 4231.
His natural instincts are: a pure pivot, how to not lose the ball.
He looked like a CM only in wild matches when he was avoiding the opponents who were running at him.
But even then, he acted more as a pivot who was pushed further up the pitch than a CM who plays football in 3 ways: defending, build up and attacking.
His whole build up is kind of: avoiding pressure build up. And not some: oh, there is NO pressure at all. Let's take a ball and ACTIVELY create a good assist for our teammates because we need to score a goal.

I think that a hype around him will drop a lot during this season.

More and more people are starting to quietly mentioning how he needs to improve his attacking skills, be more brave in the attacking third.
That's how these things start on our forum.
1. at first a player is perfect and an amazing talent (insert Dembele, Malcom, Samper, Alena, Bartra, any La Masia talent here)
2. then, there are no flaws and if someone says that there are flaws, he is an idiot.
3. then, a few Months later, when users accept that some minor flaws exist, then they are in a denial, and a coach, a system, a team playing opposite to player's strength, bad teammates or random excuses are guilty for those flaws. Never a player.
4. in the end, fans slowly start to accept that there are some flaws and then it grows and grows... But sometimes it takes 1 year and sometimes 3-4 years until we reach that level.
And especially if he really won't click well with a new absolute favorite Frenkie, the hype will wear down fast.
 
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mc_lovin

Senior Member
I wouldn't call him even a pure Cm but a double pivot player from Tite's 4231.
His natural instincts are: a pure pivot, how to not lose the ball.
He looked like a CM only in wild matches when he was avoiding the opponents who were running at him.
But even then, he acted more as a pivot who was pushed further up the pitch than a CM who plays football in 3 ways: defending, build up and attacking.
His whole build up is kind of: avoiding pressure build up. And not some: oh, let's take a ball and create a good assist for our teammates because we need to score a goal.

I think that a hype around him will drop a lot during this season.

More and more people are quietly mentioning how he needs to improve his attacking skills, be more brave in the attacking third.
And especially if he really won't click well with a new absolute favorite Frenkie, the hype will wear down fast.


The thing is you make it sound like his press resistence for example is a niche talent when in fact it takes an insane amount of overall talent and skill - which is why players like Arthur are so rare. And I think over time that talent will materialise in other areas as well (with confidence, a bigger role etc).

Same as with the Ndombele/Frenkie comparisons back then. One has better stats than the other (without looking), but the other is twice the talent. Arthur is just a really good footballer, even with stats not supporting it yet.


Edit: Just to be clear I never hyped any of "insert Dembele, Malcom, Samper, Alena, Bartra, any La Masia talent here" up.
 
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