Lapi
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Arthur
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EdmondDantes
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Arthur has barely played and yet still putting up numbers in every department.
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Arthur has barely played and yet still putting up numbers in every department.
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devo901
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misleading, until diveded by the minutes played. (aka normalized)
interesting, how modest arthur was his initial reaction scoring, which was a real beauty.
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DonAK
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misleading, until diveded by the minutes played. (aka normalized)
interesting, how modest arthur was his initial reaction scoring, which was a real beauty.
Probably because he knows he's still going back to the bench soon
JohnN
Senior Member
Unreal shot by him!
devo901
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maybe - even messi slowed down once the ball was in the goal, busquets could not slow down he was catatonic/stunned all evening long.Probably because he knows he's still going back to the bench soon
Jaguar
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His first goal for Barça vs Tottenham was also a belter outside the box, is very good at shooting far distance. A decent manager would tell him to shoot every so often but he rarely does surprisingly.
BBZ8800
Senior Member
Well, I have actually said that Arthur is playing BETTER than this season than the last season.
And for now, he has improved in 2 areas about which I have whined the most about him: not creating in the final 3rd and not shooting enough.
But since he played only 300 minutes this season, for me it is surely way too early to say: omg, I was wrong. Arthur is everything what I have said he is not.
Regarding your individual stats about Arthur and Frenkie, there are cases where a player 1 is better in lots of areas or in 1 key area than a player 2 (individually on an eye test or on stats), yet a team performs better (result's wise or eye test wise) with "a weaker" player.
Some examples:
1. Semedo seems to have a better individual stats than Roberto.
Yet, on 38 league games with Semedo, our results will be weaker than with Roberto.
2. Neymar in spring 2016 and 2016/17 was a wastly superior individual player than Pedro and Arda, yet a team played better on the eye test and results wise whenever Neymar was NOT on a field.
Why? Because Neymar brings dribbles and solo actions and for our setup in those days, we needed more teamplay and we already had enough of a final-killer-touch by Messi.
Further, some players have one or a few skills which are extremely pleasing for the eye and then those players are creating a Halo effect in the minds of fans.
For example, Arthur was hailed here from the day 1 due to some moves which resemble on Xavi.
A lot of users transformed those playmaking skills into all skills. And he was good at everything.
A year before we had Dembele.
He has SOME good skills, but is horrible in others.
Yet, for 2 years, we had to read posts about "a black Prinze", a generational talent, how he oozes with talent, how he is the only creative player on field, blah blah.
2 years later, everyone gave up from him even though he was the most loved toy for 2 years on our forum.
Halilovic had a similar Halo effect because some of his moves were World class and very pleasing for the eye.
And people saw Messi in some of his moves.
And his flaws were not looked at due to these Messi-esque skills.
Of course, Halil had too many flaws, so the hype died fast, but even then, people believed in him for almost 2 years, in spite of being a truly horrible player with 1-2 decent eye pleasing skills which created a Halo effect.
Further, similar to a point no1: each player brings 100s of different things to a table. Each player is better in some areas and weaker in other areas. There is rarely a player who is better in all 100 areas than a player no2.
Verratti is a way better player than let's say Paulinho.
But there is always a chance that Paulinho's set of skills will create a better chemistry and balance with other teammates (than Verratti's) and that a team will just have better end results with some inferior players (or eye-pleasing inferior players).
Especially when you add skillsets of his teammates into a maths. Not every player is an answer for every team and it is very important how he compliments with other teammates and their skillsets.
In that sense, to some extent, it is possible to divide teamplay and team results with an individual play, but you can't completely divide those two.
In that sense, you guys are writing songs again about Frenkie-Arthur duo.
But let's slow down our horses.
Our play and results is imo even worse than in the 2 previous EV's years.
You will reply: it is due to not having Messi.
Fine.
1) on one hand, does it mean that we/this team is allowed to be a total shitshow without Messi? Since, Messi will be 33 soon. He can get injured over and over from now. Or he can leave a team at the end of a season.
That would mean that THIS is our future.
2) on the other hand, let's wait until Messi will be fit. WHAT IF a team will play like shit and if we will have HORRIBLE results with fit Messi and with Frenkie-Arthur behind him?
You guys will again reply: that is because of EV.
But wait... We had let's say Busi-Raki-Vidal and Messi, played ugly and were winning La Ligas.
What if now we will play more eye pleasing (in terms of 2 midfielders), but we will lose all titles?
If you get my point?
Apart from the eye pleasing part, I am expecting consistent wins, chances, goals and titles.
If we will play nice and eye pleasing with 2 good individual performers in Frenkie and Arthur, but a team won't win titles (due to EV, lol) won't be good for me.
I am going into extreme examples now, but only to show you guys WHY I can't jump on a hype train the same as you (after 3 and a half matches).
Let's see how Arthur or any player will play in upcoming weeks, Months and which results will a team actually have.
Further, you are mentioning Rakitic and our defensive record this season.
Let's compare our defensive record of a CURRENT team with defensive records from our team in previous seasons.
2017/18:
1. Betis 2:0
2. Alaves 2:0
3. Espanyol 5:0
4. Getafe 2:1
5. Eibar 6:1
6. Girona 3:0
2018/19:
1. Alaves 3:0
2. Valladolid 1:0
3. Huesca 8:2
4. Sociedad 2:1
5. Girona 2:2
6. Leganes 1:2
This season:
1. Bilbao 0:1
2. Betis 5:2
3. Osasuna 2:2
4. Valencia 5:2
5. Granada 0:2
6. Villareal 2:1
2017 autumn: 20:2 goals advantage
2018 autumn: 17:7
2019 autumn: 14:10
Now, in terms of attack, we can agree that our numbers have dropped due to Messi being injured.
But, what about defense?
We only missed Messi, who doesn't defend at all. On paper, our defense shouldn't suffer due to Messi's absence.
Also, we moved Semedo to a RB, who is better defensively than Roberto, as people claim.
So, basically, we lost Messi who doesn't defend at all, we got a good defender Semedo, and we got Frenkie and Arthur (even Roberto) as starters instead of old turtles Busi, Raki, Vidal.
Yet, a team is leaking more goals than ever.
1. ok, since the sample is small, this could be just a bad run of form and a statistical anomaly.
2. but if this will continue with similar numbers, then we could ask a question: is this set of players defend worse as a unit than our teams from 2017 and 2018?
If we will continue to leak goals, that could be due to 2 reasons:
1) new players are weaker defenders as individuals
2) or older players had a better chemistry and their skills complimented eachother better, inspite of them being weaker players as individuals.
Or they just had a better automatism?
So, one more example how individual plays and team-results are connected.
So, for the end:
1. Arthur has improved in this season in areas for which I have whined (btw, could we say that EV has actually helped in that part with a few directions, or that is forbidden on this forum, lol?)
2. let's wait whether this form will be a longterm Arthur's form or a short term good part of a season (like Dembele's last season)
3. longterm, let's wait for team's results at the end of a season (and how will our match on Anfield THIS season end with new players). But if we will lose, it will again be=on EV.
EdmondDantes
New member
Arthur won the South America's equivalent to the Champions League aged 19, being man-of-the-match in the final and he was also elected as the continent's second best player at the time - reaching similar credentials Neymar achieved when they were the same age.
Just because Arthur's play stylistically resembles Xavi does not negate the fact he's always been an incredibly talented footballer in his own right.
Why you continue to cynically overlook that I'll never know.
EdmondDantes
New member
Great policy but there's always a chance you end up missing out on a worthy chuckle or two.
KingLeo10
Senior Member
> Claims 300 minutes aren't enough to make a definitive call on Arthur (which is reasonable).
> ACTUALLY CLAIMED AND ARGUED that the 5-2 win v Betis (90 MINS) earlier this season was an indication that EV had instructed his players to change tactics (THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY WHEN IT SUITS HIS AGENDA)
> LOW IQ BBZ strikes again.
> ACTUALLY CLAIMED AND ARGUED that the 5-2 win v Betis (90 MINS) earlier this season was an indication that EV had instructed his players to change tactics (THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY WHEN IT SUITS HIS AGENDA)
> LOW IQ BBZ strikes again.
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