Arthur

[EdmondDantes]

> Claims 300 minutes aren't enough to make a definitive call on Arthur (which is reasonable).

> ACTUALLY CLAIMED AND ARGUED that the 5-2 win v Betis (90 MINS) earlier this season was an indication that EV had instructed his players to change tactics (THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY WHEN IT SUITS HIS AGENDA)

> LOW IQ BBZ strikes again.

All the while ignoring the fact Arthur was probably our best midfielder last season up until his second/third injury when his groin issue flared up.

 

[messi2140]

> Claims 300 minutes aren't enough to make a definitive call on Arthur (which is reasonable).

> ACTUALLY CLAIMED AND ARGUED that the 5-2 win v Betis (90 MINS) earlier this season was an indication that EV had instructed his players to change tactics (THE FUCKING HYPOCRISY WHEN IT SUITS HIS AGENDA)

> LOW IQ BBZ strikes again.

He wrote off Arthur in less than 300 minutes aswell last year. But I guess BBZ is one of those geniuses that can see how good a player is in an instant.

 

[devo901]

similar Halo effect because some of his moves were World class and very pleasing for the eye.
And people saw Messi in some of his moves.

I agree, escpecially the media pundits are keen to hype everyone with 2 legs, in combination with the legions of untrained fan-eyes that are fast in repeting this judgment "oh he is the new Messi/Maradona/Di Stefano...bla..."

I wont call it halo effect but lack of knownledge - the problem is that it takes a complete champ, not some random partial skills. If Fati e.g. does not find a way to avoid physical attacks in 1vs.1- his game will suffer because he is a feather, and defenders will abuse this. As long he does not overcome this ... he will never be anything close of messi and co.

As much I respect your effort you put into your posts - do you mind if you put your 3 line summary at the TOP of the post?
I would appreaciate this. (a tecnique called inverted pyramid Thanks in advance!

 

[Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor]

I can imagine BBZ is probably at home pissing himself laughing at how his posts stir up so much anger. The Croatian Elon Musk must be having a whale of a time.

 

[Lapi]

Regarding your individual stats about Arthur and Frenkie, there are cases where a player 1 is better in lots of areas or in 1 key area than a player 2 (individually on an eye test or on stats), yet a team performs better (result's wise or eye test wise) with "a weaker" player.

The problem with BBZ - clinically speaking - seems to be that he is a fantast (often also called as daydreamer, someone who's internal world has little to do with the external one).

- When he invents the "eye test" phenomenon above, he doesn't at all define the new conception or notion, rather in the same sentence he immediately compares it to something very well known. Namely statistics, so his new notion is immediately legitimized, simply because it is in par with a known idea.

- But he goes further (just in a single sentence among many) and tries to state something, something that "should be evident" for all of us, (because it is evident for him).
He says that, as if there were only these two aspects to judge a football player - some little watching of some games, but most importantly the STATISTICS, which matter more for him.

- Good or bad (playing good or bad individually) are not really existing concepts for him, because only results matter for him, results that can be put in stats, therefore he cannot imagine a player playing badly during a victorious game and another playing well in a lost game. These are contradictions for him, because his internal clock tends to express anything and everything in NUMBERS (just as he also claims it towards the end of his essay).

- Thus he comes up with three tables, reflecting upon how the team has started 3 seasons. Actually he also knows that We All Know That Data - without the tables - but to present numbers and tables is a compulsive urge for him, the sole manner to present a concise mathematical proof of his subjective opinion.

- Regardless that the "eye test" has been the dominant factor and also the REASON why humans have been watching this sports for 150 years, his internal realm suggest otherwise, so he starts combining the two factors, as if other people (forum readers) were also placing the eye-test (watching games and players) being equivalent to statistics.

- The 3 tables actually serve only one purpose, to mention a bit later that present bad results are actually due to the injuries of Messi, not even dealing with the number of goals conceded. One can also say that the tables only serve one single purpose, just to be there, because the conclusions are either missing or have little to do with the data (tables).

- He also mentions (almost marginally) that there wasn't enough time to change his opinion on Arthur, that the forum is not statistically mature to realize that the coach has little to do with horrible performances, and so on.

Forgive me for mentioning or analyzing these sentences, but I'm a clinical psychologist in my civil life, and it's so obvious that BBZ most probably needs professional help to overcome the significant differences between his inner realm and the external, that it had to be mentioned at least once.
Obviously I did not want to hurt him, just inventing the "eye-test" phenomenon gave an opportunity to go around his internal of football, that has little to do with the reality of the majority, namely people who like watching and enjoying football - without the attached data.

 

[JohnN]

I am sorry mate (@BBZ), you are just avoiding responsibility for you claims.

Almost every single member here recognised and praised Arthur for his skills since day one, because it is freaking obvious he has a much higher ceiling than Rakitic ever had.

It's not about 300 minutes, it's about the obvious potential the man has. Whether that potential materialises, it's a whole other issue, but you have been the first one to diminish him to a "5th in the pecking order" kind of player for no reason at all and despite his obvious abilities.

But there is a reason for this.. You have to defend your homeboy. And that is the elephant in the room. You are just blinded by this to the point you have to defend void arguments with long essays and random stats. It's getting ridiculous.

I really do enjoy having arguments with people who have different viewpoints but unfortunately this is not the case here.

P.S. Please don't claim again that "you are a new member in the forum" etc, because I am a member since 2013 and being reading since 2009. I've been a part of this community (even if not posting) for a very long time and I do understand most people's viewpoints.
Your's is just ethnically biased and contrary to mainstream belief for the sake of it.

 

[devo901]

The problem with BBZ - ....
Forgive me for mentioning or analyzing these sentences, but I'm a clinical psychologist in my civil life, and it's so obvious that BBZ most probably needs professional help to overcome the significant differences between his inner realm and the external, that it had to be mentioned at least once.
Obviously I did not want to hurt him, just inventing the "eye-test" phenomenon gave an opportunity to go around his internal of football, that has little to do with the reality of the majority, namely people who like watching and enjoying football - without the attached data.

I do not know bbz, but if you call him a fantast, I call someone, who is able to diagnose patterns and habits as pathological - based on some forum entries as either clairvoyant or charlatan.

You do not know if this was written sober, or medicated, on dope ...and you do not care.

"Obviously I did not want to hurt him" but you are officially publicly telling everyone he has a mental problem.
That is not acceptable for a doctor from a ethical perspective, where I am from. What is your hospital called - I hope it is the "Antarctic Penguin Bird Hospital" What if your patient is suizidal unstable?

Pls. delete your entry and send it via msg to bbz instead, if you feel like it, otherwise I have to assume you are just an over-eager 22year old psychology student.

 

[Lapi]

otherwise I have to assume you are just an over-eager 22year old psychology student.

Well, I'm 52 if you need to know but it has nothing to do with my original intention.
Seems you had to at least try to slap me with your sentences, that do not really concern me.
You have gathered more posts here - in less than a month - compared to my more than two years here, so pls. be a bit more observant first and then you may lecture me or others about ethics, specially in a football forum.

BBZ quantitatively writes messages in a year, which are close two large books in possibly two thick volumes, hence you have to know that he likes to be in the focus of attention and likes to be even disliked. I think most of the times he is absolutely sincere in what he posts and this fact, along with quantity, makes him someone who tries to be just as provocative as you message is.

If someone likes to be provoked, even wishes to be provoked, the best one can do is to provoke him, specially if if the provocation is a mere intent to point out his logical errors behind the obviously subjective agendas.

You don't need to worry about BBZ. He is kind of borderline-fantast (I've been reading his posts for almost six years to judge) but the very fact that he tends to write more and more when feels like it or being provoked, objectively shows that for him the posts are a form of self-expression, that he happily shares with the outside world wrapped in anonymity, a clear message that he has no acute or dangerous tendencies whatsoever.
He simply feels to be right, but as his biased personal sympathies and antipathies can not be expressed by numbers, list or pragmatic data, he tends to compensate it by by even more data or highly illogical conclusions.

 

[BBZ8800]

Forgive me for mentioning or analyzing these sentences, but I'm a clinical psychologist in my civil life, and it's so obvious that BBZ most probably needs professional help to overcome the significant differences between his inner realm and the external, that it had to be mentioned at least once.
Obviously I did not want to hurt him, just inventing the "eye-test" phenomenon gave an opportunity to go around his internal of football, that has little to do with the reality of the majority, namely people who like watching and enjoying football - without the attached data.

You are triggered quite easily by too many of my posts for a professional then.
I am a psychologist in a free time also, mate 😉

I am analyzing a human nature, human IQ, tribes (Barca vs the world in this case), a mob pressure inside of tribes (among Barca fans in this case) thinking outside of a box (going beyond the simplest solution: aka EV is guilty and an alibi for everything or 1 change will solve 10 unrelated problems), scapegoating, a need for some hope in everything (in terms of a future), effects of going against a popular opinion/a mob, mental strength and calmness of random humans etc.
On a few pages like here you can learn 100s of interesting things regarding a human nature which you can then use in other aspects of life like family, friends, girls, money, survival in general.

You remind me a lot on Potroh and MessiCAM btw.
I have already told you that (MessiCAM).
They were often triggered by my posts in every topic, like you.

Kiss and hugs, mate.
Save your nerves for more important battles.

Btw, what would you say (clinically, a self diagnose as a doctor) for your need to follow me on every topic and constantly repeating how am I wrong in everything?
Some social issues from your past?
Insecurities?
Interesting.

 

[serghei]

Point is everybody should be happy Arthur and De Jong are delivering great performances. Isn't that what everyone wants? To have two hard working technical midfielders who can pass, move, assist and score?

All we need is a good manager and this future Barcelona team is going places. There's a lot of talent in this team. Keep 3-4 seniors and that is it. Messi, Alba, Busquets, Pique. Every other veteran can be replaced atm. Even Busi can be replaced out of those 4.

 

[devo901]

You have gathered more posts here - in less than a month - compared to my more than two years here, so pls. be a bit more observant first and then you may lecture me or others about ethics, specially in a football forum.

Wow! You combine 2 non-related facts (number of my posts and number of your posts) and then derive from this, to tell me I have to be more observant! What?!! ... and on top of that - while you publicly diagnose mental problems of users? as a self-proclaimed doctor!
That is illogical and false, times three !

... and what does "specially in a football forum" mean?
Why do you play this down now? Because you deep inside, you already feel guilt and try to safe yourself?
So, in a football forum, there no need to respect others, is that what you are trying to say? Why do you call in from me being more observant, if this is "JUST an soccer forum"? Leaves a selfish taste...

BBZ quantitatively writes messages in a year, which are close two large books in possibly two thick volumes, hence you have to know that he likes to be in the focus of attention and likes to be even disliked. I think most of the times he is absolutely sincere in what he posts and this fact, along with quantity, makes him someone who tries to be just as provocative as you message is.

I am aware of that - and hey I agree...

If someone likes to be provoked, even wishes to be provoked, the best one can do is to provoke him, specially if if the provocation is a mere intent to point out his logical errors behind the obviously subjective agendas.

Hey, I do not agree. If he feels lonely and all these posts are attempts to build up a conversation/realationship? The more he writes down his brain-train, the more flaws occure, the more response, he gets attention and he feels needed (so needs that are met so far are: attention, feeling needed, being listened, interaction). How about this... not this provocative thing...

"the best one can do..." Seems like your therapy approach, is not working because it is not about provocative but something else - All the harsh posts did not work on BBZ, he is looking for connections - not confrontation. When are you going to change your approach dr. house?

You don't need to worry about BBZ.

I hope your environment has more empathy than you have. I wish you had deleted your initial post, instead you defend your "diagnose" here.

Being a real doctor does not allow to throw around diagnoses publicly, esp. based on reading long forum entries for years. That is not ok!
You might be a psycho-hobbyist - but not my role model.

 

[Lapi]

You are triggered quite easily by too many of my posts for a professional then.
I am a psychologist in a free time also, mate ��

So if you are one, you should know exactly what I was talking about
Of course you like to be in your present role, and like to be provoked. That's why I do the same.

If you are analyzing (which I admire and like) just do it with less data that is not related to the actual conclusion, and you back in track.
You are cognitively above the average of this forum, so act accordingly and btw, forget about Rakitic, because his time has passed.

Sorry but I have no idea about MessiCAM, I can not differentiate between the users with Messi's name in them, but I remember how Potroh was after you, in a certain period.
I think he was sort of right about that.
It happened just when the Barca decline had started and regardless if you were right or wrong with your conclusions, a particular type of your negativity started to influence the forum in an undesired way. IMHO he was right about pointing out some of your logical discrepancies, specially with his admirable experience in the field.

I think I started to follow you on many topics, because your thought process is interesting, regardless if you are right or wrong, whereas many of the other posts are simply over-emotional in a bad way, I may also say: a bit primitive.
But you don't really like to participate in head to head conversations, even debates, so I did that alone.
To be followed and to be argued with your statements is not a bad thing, not a problem, actually it is privilege. Much better compared to having been ignored.

(BTW, mentioning "social issues" and "insecurities" is not a nice thing from a psychologist nowadays. That period is over by 40 years or so, a clever 'psy' has stepped over those former-wound stereotypes long ago).

You just need to admit that you like to provoke the crowd, so simultaneously you should bare to be provoked in return.

I'm happy that you have come out, for a short post, from your cave and answered me just like you should have.
That's what I wished to achieve.

 

[Lapi]

You might be a psycho-hobbiest, but manner wise - not my role model.

If you disagree with someone, just say so, and start reasoning.
But do NOT start questioning his qualities, perhaps you may mention intentions, but that's all.

BBZ is luckily much more clever than you assume, hence he needs no red-cross activist behind him.
He knows what he is doing, saying, he has his precise and pre-meditated intentions.
That is why, time to time, he also has to face some relatively able opposition too.

 

[devo901]

that's the last straw - 2 concealed psychos observing themselfs, not knowing what they see ....
"On being sane in insane places"

 

[CatalinR10]

Valverde is a disgusting piece of shit.