Arthur
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Centauri B
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This is unfortunately and regrettably true.
It also reminds me of when Pep inexplicably went for Busquets instead of Yaya in the 2010 semifinal against Inter at the San Siro.
Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor
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Guy is one of the best midfielders in world football BUT people here are fanboying him too much. He was average and gave the ball away far too much. I'm happy that he was trying to make these progressive passes but the fact remains - he needs to improve on them.
EdmondDantes
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The one thing I'm liking about him is that, much like last season, the more we see him play, the more he introduces new things to his game.
Last night he made that overlapping run into the box to receive a through ball from Messi, took his marker on and had a pop at goal with his left foot when we were 1 nil down.
The more we see him and Frenkie sporadically get in the opposition's box, the less predictable to defend against we become.
Last night he made that overlapping run into the box to receive a through ball from Messi, took his marker on and had a pop at goal with his left foot when we were 1 nil down.
The more we see him and Frenkie sporadically get in the opposition's box, the less predictable to defend against we become.
How tf did he give the ball away far too much? Did you even watch the game? According to Sofascore he completed 100/109 passes with 4/5 long balls, 5/5 dribbles, won ground duels 8/11
It's good thing he tried passes to penetrate the final third and the fail passes were never in dangerous position which can result to counter
Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor
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No I didn't watch the game - I did what you did and got my analysis from Sofascore. Apparently it's more accurate than watching the game with your actual eyes and making your own opinion based on what you saw.
He used to get stick for playing it too safe. Now I'm going to give it for the opposite.
Against Inter he tried to hit those over the top passes more than a couple of times and it went straight to their defenders.
Don't get me wrong, it's good to try to be creative, but the situations need to be assessed. Sometimes the ball over the top is simply impossible to succeed with.
When he learns to balance safe and risky passes, we'll have a world class player in our hands.
Against Inter he tried to hit those over the top passes more than a couple of times and it went straight to their defenders.
Don't get me wrong, it's good to try to be creative, but the situations need to be assessed. Sometimes the ball over the top is simply impossible to succeed with.
When he learns to balance safe and risky passes, we'll have a world class player in our hands.
serghei
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Are you saying 100 completed passes are not 100 completed passes if you watch them?
If you try risky passes with low movement around you, turnover rate goes up. Football ABC that. Only reason why Arthur is doing risky passes now and keeping a 90+% compeleted passes percentage is because he is a great player, who makes passes others midfielders couldn't.
The real issue is both him and De Jong are already approaching the max. level a midfielder of this type can achieve under Valverde. Only Xavi would do better on these conditions in CM.
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te amo barca
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He's absolutely not "trying too much" at the moment, lol. Without his attempts we would look much more bleak.
Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor
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No, what was clear from my initial post was that his progressive through balls were not working. This is why going off stats is so misleading. I'm not interested in the 100/100 square balls/ simple passes he completed. Wasn't Rakitic insulted here regularly for That?
What was clear to anybody that WATCHED THE GAME was his through balls were not working. I saw it. Andresito saw it. We both love Arthur. No agenda.
He is our CM. His job is to succeed at progressing the play. He is not the DM. His risks got to succeed a fair percentage of the time.
Lack of movement is an issue but Arthur has had this problem since he came here. Passes were on , he just wasn't accurate enough to make them. If we blame EV for every weakness we end up having silly arguments like Dembeles first touch being EVs fault ( which remarkably has been used on this forum).
Agree, definitely need to improve his final pass. Also I would add his ball carry. The pass that Thiago made last game to Gnabry? That’s the kind of pass Arthur should make regularly, his number of key passes is still low. Kroos who many accuse of being finished provide keypasses at an insane rate. Let’s hope he can improve in that regard because right now the only real weapon he has is his press resistense.
In the 4231 there isnt as big expectations for Arthur’s creating but as an interior in a 433 then it’s not enough. People blaming it on Valverde or our lack of movement, yet Arthur’s number for Gremio AND Brazil is the same. Arthur is simply not a good passer. Not good at long ball, not good at outside the foot pass, he is a quite average passer to be honest
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serghei
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I don't know exactly what you guys think you saw but you're both talking rubbish.
When a good pass is on Arthur and De Jong go for it almost every time. When there isn't they don't, because they are smart players. Last thing we need is players trying to play the hero and spraying error after error going for gaps which are simply not there, leading to Inter counters wich would make Pique and Lenglet look even more clownish than they already do.
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te amo barca
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Do you still think that Arthur is a 4-6th pick? Valverde said that his fitness problems of the last season were due to a groin injury, and he continues to become more and more important to us with each passing game. Your opinion of him may have began to shift after his great attacking input in dribbles and forward passes.
Do you think there is any potential in a De Jong - Arthur double pivot with an energetic CM in front of them like we saw against Inter?
Ernesto GOATverde Tejedor
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I don't know exactly what you guys think you saw but you're both talking rubbish.
When a good pass is on Arthur and De Jong go for it almost every time. When there isn't they don't, because they are smart players. Last thing we need is players trying to play the hero and spraying error after error going for gaps which are simply not there, leading to Inter counters wich would make Pique and Lenglet look even more clownish than they already do.
No the only reason you think we are talking rubbish is because you have not understood what we are trying to say. Nobody has said that 'he should be a hero spraying error after error going for gaps that are not there.'
We are saying that when the gaps are there he needs to improve his passing so that he makes the pass rather than the pass not succeeding due to the inaccuracy of his delivery. Something he did on Wednesday and pretty much the main criticism of him from this fan base since he arrived at the club.
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