Arthur

[aqua2nd]

People are comparing him to Xavi who could play 60+ games a season and still run 14 km a game. This is basically a criteria for being an elite player. Kroos, Modric, De Bruyne and so on. They play a shitload of games.

It’s so worrying that a 23 year old Arthur already look tired in October.

He hasn't been affected by fatigue this season so it's still too early to tell
The situation last season wasn't in favor of his physical though. He had a long and successful first season with Gremio senior team then sat out 3 months for injury then play half of season with Gremio before joining us and played a full season. So it's about 2.5 season straight with 3 months injury in between.
This year he had some time to prepare for the season but it's still not ideal though. All players played for Copa America basically have almost no pre-season. That's why Messi also struggled with injury at the start of the season
This season the ground he covered is 2nd of the team just slightly behind De Jong

 

[JohnN]

People are comparing him to Xavi who could play 60+ games a season and still run 14 km a game. This is basically a criteria for being an elite player. Kroos, Modric, De Bruyne and so on. They play a shitload of games.

It’s so worrying that a 23 year old Arthur already look tired in October.

If he is tired, it is indeed worrying, but that is an assertion.
On the other hand Xavi did not run 14km per game, that is a false statement.
Also, xavi played in a controlled tempo, not running after players half the time, with a possession percentage of more than 65% (and that might be low too).

 

[Havesaks]

Arthur just needs to be more clever about his running. But there have been signs that he has low stamnia and durability though a whole season. And at age 23 that really does seem worrying.

 

[BBZ8800]

Regarding Stamina talks from the last season:

Last 6 matches:
Frenkie vs Arthur minutes:
Sevilla: 90 - 65
NT match 1: 90 - 68
NT match 2: 90 - 80
Eibar: 79 - 71
Slavia: 90 - 84
Valladolid: 90 (?) - 0

He was subbed in the last 5 matches in a row.
He had a full week of rest till today due to Classico being postponed, and is rested again.
Meanwhile, Frenkie played all matches.

Minutes this season for Barca:
978 Frenkie. Missed 11 minutes in the last 6 matches.
690 Arthur. Missed 172 minutes in the last 6 matches.

 

[Riordon]

Regarding Stamina talks from the last season:

Last 6 matches:
Frenkie vs Arthur minutes:
Sevilla: 90 - 65
NT match 1: 90 - 68
NT match 2: 90 - 80
Eibar: 79 - 71
Slavia: 90 - 84
Valladolid: 90 (?) - 0

He was subbed in the last 5 matches in a row.
He had a full week of rest till today due to Classico being postponed, and is rested again.
Meanwhile, Frenkie played all matches.

Minutes this season for Barca:
978 Frenkie. Missed 11 minutes in the last 6 matches.
690 Arthur. Missed 172 minutes in the last 6 matches.

Cules will blame Valverde for rotating and resting him too much when he in fact can't keep up with this tempo if he has to play regularly two games a week.

 

[mc_lovin]

Theres absolitely no way you can make any reasonable conclusions about his stamina "issues". Maybe he got a knock in training, or whatever - we dont know. The reason for Arthur getting subbed out instead of Frenkie is quite simple as well: its safer. Valverde likes his safe choices. Vidal/Rakitic for Arthur simply offers more defensively than subbing Frenkie (or Busquets) out. He had no problems vs Dortmund for example - its just not like players get a 10% (and Arthur even worse) malus for every game they play.


But yeah, shit on him the first time he shows weakness this season.

 

[serghei]

Regarding Stamina talks from the last season:

Last 6 matches:
Frenkie vs Arthur minutes:
Sevilla: 90 - 65
NT match 1: 90 - 68
NT match 2: 90 - 80
Eibar: 79 - 71
Slavia: 90 - 84
Valladolid: 90 (?) - 0

He was subbed in the last 5 matches in a row.
He had a full week of rest till today due to Classico being postponed, and is rested again.
Meanwhile, Frenkie played all matches.

Minutes this season for Barca:
978 Frenkie. Missed 11 minutes in the last 6 matches.
690 Arthur. Missed 172 minutes in the last 6 matches.

How about his assists stats? He's getting near 2011 Xavi numbers. Suddenly, you don't care about assists that much now Arthur is making them regularly. He's on what so far, 4 assists in La Liga and he hasn't even played that much. You're lucky he's rested. I could've seen him bagging 1-2 assists today too.

Also, isn't Arthur getting near 11km per game in the big ones? Vs Slavia he was top 5 in our team in ground covered wasn't he? If he makes those numbers while looking tired near min 60 or so, it means until min 60 this guy is running like a mad man.

Anytime I see some pressing in this team is when De Jong and Arthur are leading the charge.

 

[mc_lovin]

Yeah, theres no way Arthur can ever please BBZ. Hes as biased as it gets. At least have the same standard for every player (Rakitic says hi).

 

[KingLeo10]

This is the type of cherry picking that warrants me calling BBZ a CON ARTIST.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Judging the properties of players by whom retarded piece of shit is subbing off or on/putting in lineups. What a dumbfuck.

 

[BBZ8800]

But yeah, shit on him the first time he shows weakness this season.

You guys are doing the same, in an opposite direction.
I am just balancing the books.

Last season Arthur started well.
Dropped his level in the 2nd part of a season.

A new season starts, an angry Arthur plays at 120%, guys jump on an overhype train.
In the last few matches, when he lost the anger, his level has dropped.

But our fans will take those 5 good games as a standard and forget average games before and after.
The same is with Stamina.
He had stamina issues for 40 matches last season.
Then he was on holidays for 2-3 Months.
He gets back, plays 5 matches for 90 minutes and guys here started to make fun: people thought that he has a poor stamina, lol.
Fast forward 1 Month, he seems to again have stamina issues and was gassed out in the last few matches.

My point: if a favorite player has 5 good matches, 5 average matches and 5 bad matches, fans will remember those 5 matches and think that those matches are a player's true level.
While a true level is in between good and bad matches.

Ok, I am doing the same with seeing bad games.
But I am partly doing it because a hype is unreal and far from reality in some moments.

Something similar is happening to Fati.
He had a few good moves and now is having horrible displays.
Is he ONLY that kid with potential and with 2 goals?
Or is he BOTH that good kid and a current very, very raw kid?
Well, he is both.
His real current level is in between those two levels.

The same is with Arthur's skills and stamina.

 

[mc_lovin]

Yeah, you are the white knight in shining armor fighting against unreal expecations. What a noble cause. Just quit the bullshit: you dont like him. Thats all. If hes good it has to be him being angry and playing at 120% for a few games

 

[Lapi]

I am just balancing the books.

Sorry to state but you as a balancing factor is perhaps the best joke in this place.

Maybe you are not the most biased towards some footballers in the forum, but you're definitely not lower than 3rd or 2nd on the ranking-list.

When you like a player, you come to the limelight and try to persuade everyone else to think and feel the same.
When you dislike a player (or even hate him), you come to the limelight and try to persuade everyone else to feel and think the same.

The right attitude by you would be:
1./ Not to practice a coming-out with your personal attachments daily, because everyone knows your actual reason behind it, or
2./ To practice some introspectively rigorous methods to remain within the objective realm.

 

[Sailor Mars]

We won 5-1 yesterday. With Ernestine at the helm, very possible he just continues to roll out a midfield of Frenkie, Vidal, and Busquets. With Rakitic as the first sub.

 

[Andresito]

You guys are doing the same, in an opposite direction.
I am just balancing the books.

Last season Arthur started well.
Dropped his level in the 2nd part of a season.

A new season starts, an angry Arthur plays at 120%, guys jump on an overhype train.
In the last few matches, when he lost the anger, his level has dropped.

But our fans will take those 5 good games as a standard and forget average games before and after.
The same is with Stamina.
He had stamina issues for 40 matches last season.
Then he was on holidays for 2-3 Months.
He gets back, plays 5 matches for 90 minutes and guys here started to make fun: people thought that he has a poor stamina, lol.
Fast forward 1 Month, he seems to again have stamina issues and was gassed out in the last few matches.

My point: if a favorite player has 5 good matches, 5 average matches and 5 bad matches, fans will remember those 5 matches and think that those matches are a player's true level.
While a true level is in between good and bad matches.

Ok, I am doing the same with seeing bad games.
But I am partly doing it because a hype is unreal and far from reality in some moments.

Something similar is happening to Fati.
He had a few good moves and now is having horrible displays.
Is he ONLY that kid with potential and with 2 goals?
Or is he BOTH that good kid and a current very, very raw kid?
Well, he is both.
His real current level is in between those two levels.

The same is with Arthur's skills and stamina.

There's not only physical fatigue, but also mental fatigue. Arthur needed a 'restart' after travelling with Brazil and playing in Prague.
I'm sure he'll be back to his best this weekend.