Arthur

[serghei]

BBZ you realize Arthur had a great assist in the last game? We won the game 2-1.

Once you hate someone your whole logic and balance goes out the window.

Last year you were mocking him that he doesn't contribute offensively calling him a backpasser non-stop, now his level is apparently dropping as he makes key assists in CL with great passes between the lines.

When the reallity doesn't fit your narrative anymore, you just change the narrative instead of admitting you're simply very wrong.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Arthur is one of the best mids i ever seen. I regularly watched football games since mid 90s and observed likes of Zidane, Veron, Scholes, Rui Costa, i very much liked Gallardo for Argentina, Basler and all kinds of others. Arthur has the same 'presence' on the field, but he seems to have great potential to be complete package. That he is almost impossible to dispossess or press we already seen since his first days, but his ability to advance the play by either floating past defenders and making killer passes is clearly visible in his current role. Special player and probably underrated due to his age and playing in currently subpar FC Barcelona that needs to find different frequency.

 

[serghei]

Arthur is one of the best mids i ever seen. I regularly watched football games since mid 90s and observed likes of Zidane, Veron, Scholes, Rui Costa, i very much liked Gallardo for Argentina, Basler and all kinds of others. Arthur has the same 'presence' on the field, but he seems to have great potential to be complete package. That he is almost impossible to dispossess or press we already seen since his first days, but his ability to advance the play by either floating past defenders and making killer passes is clearly visible in his current role. Special player and probably underrated due to his age and playing in currently subpar FC Barcelona that needs to find different frequency.

Yea, he is suffering because of bad management and bad tactics. And slow attackers. Rigid unimaginative tactics + slow attackers is the nightmare combination for modern central midfielders.

If he played for City or Liverpool, with that much movement in front of him and so many pacy fast players to combine with, with the proper tactics to boot, this guy would be the best CM in the world. He already is among the very best, but at these teams, with those managers around, I think he'd make the next step and be the best. Lol, Klopp's tactics are making Henderson look like a skilled passer. Imagine how Arthur would feel playing in a team where at all times he has multiple pass options fairly open and obvious. He'd make all of that + extra that the current Liverpool players (some of them, not all) aren't able to make.

Imagine Wijnaaldum + Fabinho + Arthur. Don't find a better balanced midfield than that anywhere else. Or De Bruyne - Rodri - Arthur.

This is one of the reasons we need to get rid of Valverde as soon as possible. We are one signing away and one top manager away form having the best midfield in the world. We need that midfielder who would provide very good defensive output, but also go in offense when needed and score goals. Which means he has to be strong, hard working, and good shooter. Neither Arthur and De Jong are good shooters with goal scoring instincts. Vidal is but he is old.

 

[BBZ8800]

Maybe.
Or he would get exposed in pace, defending, stamina, aerial strength.
All very important things for EPL teams.

Jean Michel Seri who had similar skills, according to our forum, soon dropped to a level of a second division in England.
Sold to Fulham and now loaned to Galatasary, where he can play at a lower pace.

His Xaviesque skills didn't help in England, since he lacked in defending, pace, stamina and physical presence.

Personally, I could see him (Arthur) playing well in Pep's teams.
I am not too sure about him and fast paced run and gun Liverpool.
Or in any fast paced team.
Actually, a slower tempo Barca is a perfect team for his skillset.

 

[serghei]

Maybe.
Or he would get exposed in pace, defending, stamina, aerial strength.
All very important things for EPL teams.

Jean Michel Seri who had similar skills, according to our forum, soon dropped to a level of a second division in England.
Sold to Fulham and now loaned to Galatasary, where he can play at a lower pace.

His Xaviesque skills didn't help in England, since he lacked in defending, pace, stamina and physical presence.

Personally, I could see him playing well in Pep's teams.
I am not too sure about him and fast paced run and gun Liverpool.

No, because everybody around Arthur has that. Arthur doesn't need to shine in areas where 80% of the Liverpool players are already very good at. You make it sound as if 10 players who are strong and fast but have crap technique can form a great team. It doesn't work like that.

Jean Michel Seri has nothing to do with Arthur. Arthur is the starter and best midfielder of Brazil. Seri plays for Galatasaray.

You might say Iniesta would've been a terrible player in Premier League because his shooting is crap, his pace is not great and he is physically weak. It would be hilarious, but according to your logic, this is the most likely scenario for you.

Iniesta is only okay at several aspects which made Lampard and Gerrard legends of Chelsea and Liverpool. But he is actually a superior player to both.

Faulty logic like yours in this case is what generated comments like 'Messi would struggle on a cold night at the Britannia'. I thought crap notions like that were dismissed the moment Pep broke the Premier League points record with a Barcelona-lite copy in Man City.

 

[serghei]

I am not too sure about him and fast paced run and gun Liverpool.

The players are trained to play like that. You now, by guys who don't think fitness is not that important and that 'no one really understands physical preparation'.

Every top young player in the world, from any big team, would be able to produce good enough physical parameters to play in that Liverpool team if prepared in this direction by a fully professional coaching staff, highly competent in their respective areas of expertise.

All players at Barcelona bar Semedo and De Jong who are physical specimens possibly, would struggle to play right away in a better prepared team. But, make no mistake, they would get acclimatized quite fast as they start to enter the routine of Liverpool training procedures.

It's the same as 2008 Barcelona. Same players were faster and physically better, months after they moved from Rijkaard to Guardiola. From the slow, boring 2008 team, to Pep's Barcelona energetic side who were actually accused of doping by some idiots due to how better we looked physically and how much pressing we did, sometimes relentless. Preparation is the main difference maker in football, not genetics or whatever you think are the issues. Intense training sessions which don't neglect the physical component, motivation, a proper philosophy of playing football, a rigorous manager which demands the best all the time, a system which rewards hard work over seniority.

 

[Vilarrubi]

Seri was never that good to begin with, just a hyped player who was doing nice things in Ligue 1 and couldn’t show the same level when going to a stronger league.

It’s a good job David Silva has pace, strength, stamina and aerial strength. God knows what he would do in the PL without those attributes.

 

[serghei]

Yea. Or Coutinho. Didn't he shine at Liverpool making us pay huge money, while lacking all those things?

BBZ is making it too easy these days. Smart, skilled and technical players make it in any leagues. The manager's role in the team is precisely that. To use the players in a way that is making the best out of their abilities while hiding their flaws.

 

[EdmondDantes]

Yellow card at the start undermined him a bit but since then his passing has been superb. Diagonals, through balls, you name it.


Frenkie breaking lines from the back carrying the ball, Arthur unlocking it in the final third.

 

[Nazario1985]

He was lucky the referee is blind and mistook him otherwise red card in the first half, opening the second half with an ez pass to levante in our half … something is going on in his head again !!

 

[BBZ8800]

He was lucky the referee is blind and mistook him otherwise red card in the first half, opening the second half with an ez pass to levante in our half … something is going on in his head again !!

Man, people will kill you soon here...

Btw Arthur was shit except two passes in the first half.
Midfield non existent again.

He is meh since the Sevilla's match.

On our forum though, he is the best CM in the world.

My question still stands: what if Arthur played well in the first 5 matches of a season because he was fresh and angry at Valverde?
And now, without freshness and without anger, he is Arthur from the last season.

 

[EdmondDantes]

Everyone was shit in the second half; but the bottle-neck in our time today was by far Vidal.

 

[fergus90]

Man, people will kill you soon here...

Btw Arthur was shit except two passes in the first half.
Midfield non existent again.

He is meh since the Sevilla's match.

On our forum though, he is the best CM in the world.

My question still stands: what if Arthur played well in the first 5 matches of a season because he was fresh and angry at Valverde?
And now, without freshness and without anger, he is Arthur from the last season.

The Arthur from last season was a player who came to Europe with no prior experience, played for one of the best sides in the world and adapted well. He is also immune from being part of a midfield that has suffered some embarrassing defeats, e.g psg 4-0, juve 3-0, roma 3-0, liverpool 4-0. Whilst common denominators such as Pique,Roberto,Rakitic,Busquets,Suarez and Alba were all apart off. Not to mention plenty of other spineless domestic performances too.

One of the last players you should be digging out about the state of this current Barcelona is Arthur.

 

[serghei]

The funny thing is that he is not playing well, but according to BBZ and Tackle logic he is superb, because he makes asssits and key passes that lead to goals.

Stats don't lie. Key assist vs Slavia, assist again (same thing) today, so he's superb.

The reality though is that the midfield is fucked up by the moron we have as a manager.

 

[pregra]

Was good vs Osasuna when he came on. Since then nothing special.