Arthur

[serghei]

Wasn't lazy at Lyon or when Pochettino was there.

Mourinho has that effect in people I guess.



Not similar players.

Ndombele more offensive. Tonali is more comparable to Arthur, but is better defensively.

OK, so sign this Tonali and keep Arthur + De Jong. Just don't mess with the only player in the team that doesn't shit the bed when he is pressed in our midfield, De Jong excepted.

 

[xXKonan]

The Pjanic rumor makes no sense.

Why the fuck would you trade Arthur for a guy who would just be another Glorified Busi and Rakitic? He may be better on the ball than Rakitic but he's still slow and has mobility issues and the dude is 30 years old now.

 

[DonAK]

OK, so sign this Tonali and keep Arthur + De Jong. Just don't mess with the only player in the team that doesn't shit the bed when he is pressed in our midfield, De Jong excepted.

I wouldn't mind Arthur staying, but I wouldn't hate to trade him for Ndombele. You'd be trading an asset for an asset instead of downgrading to a bum or an aging worse player(Pjanic in this case) like we usually do.

I'd be way more in favour of this if we had a competent Sporting Director and management in general, but we could do worse. If they have serious concerns about Arthur's professionalism, injury issues or something else we're better off moving on if we've learned something from Umtiti.

At least that's what great, well-run teams would do.

 

[JamDav1982]

Yea, for me he would be a great loss. We have probably two of the best 5 midfielder in their age group (under 24-25). Why would you want to break that? Just leave the midfield alone and find us the 3rd midfielder who has what Frenkie and Arthur don't have. Problem solved.

If Arthur cant keep fit and doesnt add more to his game he is not one of top midfielders in world when paired with FDJ.

Having two midfielders that are great when pressed is not enough. Need at least one of them to add more than that.

Arthur is a good player but if him being moved on may not be bad for the team if deal is right.

 

[serghei]

If Arthur cant keep fit and doesnt add more to his game he is not one of top midfielders in world when paired with FDJ.

Having two midfielders that are great when pressed is not enough. Need at least one of them to add more than that.

Arthur is a good player but if him being moved on may not be bad for the team if deal is right.

Which is why you need a third one who can add what they lack. That's what I said. The deal can't be right, because the players that would be an improvement over Arthur, starting midfielder for Brazil, Copa America winners recently with him being their best midfielder, aren't on the market.

Go get Thomas Partey for Arthur. That would be a good deal. Maybe Fabian Ruiz. Maybe Milinkovic Savic. Not someone who can't even get in the starting 11 of Tottenham too often.

 

[clemente]

And of course trolls are trying to justify this rumour
If this transfer actually happens, it just Barto trying to stomp this club as hard as he can before he gets booted

 

[DonAK]

I like Arthur and was banking hard for him when everyone here was calling him for "Another Douglas" or "Another overrated Brazilian" and screaming "MONEY LAUNDERING!!!!"

But he's not irreplaceable.

And if there are concerns about his professionalism or there are injury/health issues, Barca should definitely, 100% move on from him. They failed to act with Dembele and Umtiti and have probably lost tens of millions on both because of that.

 

[mc_lovin]

I like Arthur and was banking hard for him when everyone here was calling him for "Another Douglas" or "Another overrated Brazilian" and screaming "MONEY LAUNDERING!!!!"

But he's not irreplaceable.

Everyone? Just the BBZ cult. I am still convinced (bar as you said injuries, fitness..), and there arent too many interesting players anyway.

What I dont get is how people (like you did a few posts above) reduce Frenkie and Arthur to their press resistance and pretend they are basically the same player - they couldnt be more different. Its just lazy.

 

[DonAK]

Everyone? Just the BBZ cult. I am still convinced (bar as you said injuries, fitness..), and there arent too many interesting players anyway.

What I dont get is how people (like you did a few posts above) reduce Frenkie and Arthur to their press resistance and pretend they are basically the same player - they couldnt be more different. Its just lazy.

They are different. Cannot speak for anyone else, but I have my concerns about both fitting together in the same midfield. They could, but Barca then need to supplement both with a true creative force in the midfield to go along with them.

I just don't have time for the outrage and people making Arthur out to be a generational talent, because he is not. Bruno Guimaraes his countryman who signed for Lyon is a player with a higher ceiling who can do what Arthur does best.

Tonali is similar too in some aspects, but much better defensively.

Wouldn't be the end of the World if they move on from Arthur given they sign a replacement. I also wouldn't mind them keeping him and instead going for an actual creator to go along with them.

 

[mc_lovin]

I just don't have time for the outrage and people making Arthur out to be a generational talent, because he is not. Bruno Guimaraes his countryman who signed for Lyon is a player with a higher ceiling who can do what Arthur does best.

Yeah, boring discussion that wont lead anywhere. I dont agree about Bruno Guimaraes being a better talent, but you cant really argue against that - a lot of football is opinion.

Wouldnt call Tonali similar though. His best assets seem to be his physique and long passing, but heck, I didnt watch an awful lot - but he looks more like a cross between Xabi and Toure (maybe).

 

[xXKonan]

Don't think I've seen anything out of Guimaraes to suggest he could be a better talent than Arthur is.

Arthur also did a lot more in a short span of time than Bruno did as well in Brazil.

 

[mc_lovin]

He was great vs Juventus. I guess stuff like that plays a big part in peoples perception - the grass is always greener on the other side etc. One thing is for sure, flaws get much more exposed at top teams.

 

[xXKonan]

He was great vs Juventus. I guess stuff like that plays a heavy part in peoples perception - the grass is always greener on the other side etc. One thing is for sure, flaws get much more exposed at top teams.

To be fair Bruno is really talented and would be one to watch.

At this point unless we can get Ndombele or someone like Tonali I want Arthur to stay fit and be more focused and instead of the off the field stuff plaguing him. But trading him for Pjanic would pretty much be like us shooting ourselves in the foot because my god that would be a terrible trade.

 

[DonAK]

Yeah, boring discussion that wont lead anywhere. I dont agree about Bruno Guimaraes being a better talent, but you cant really argue against that - a lot of football is opinion.

Wouldnt call Tonali similar though. His best assets seem to be his physique and long passing, but heck, I didnt watch an awful lot - but he looks more like a cross between Xabi and Toure (maybe).

I think Bruno is more versatile than Arthur and has a higher ceiling as an all-around midfielder. Arthur's development in that aspect isn't where I thought it would be, so far at least

I was thinking more in terms of control and transition-wise, but you're right about Tonali being different since he plays a lot more long balls similar to Xabi Alonso which isn't a comparison I've heard before, but actually a good one.

 

[xXKonan]

The funny part is Tonali is trying to shed the Pirlo links and wants to be more like Gattuso instead.

Could end up being in between like someone like Xabi Alonso who was not only gifted on the ball but also a tenacious Midfielder during his peak,