Arthur

[mc_lovin]

Its rare that a season gets so undermined by the management :S

 

[pregra]

Not that I think he is particularly good (or will become much better), I really hope he flat out just refuses to leave, even if threatened with "you'll not play a single minute if you stay bla bla bla"

 

[xXKonan]

The interesting part is according to Santi Ovalle yesterday, Arthur was promised a better contract in the summer but Abidal and Planes sat down with him and told him, the club has no money and they needed money in order to Balance the budget and acquire a striker.

COVID fucked a lot of teams up but the combination of that and how badly we spent our money in the transfer market, especially in our FWD line is really coming back to haunt us.

 

[DonAK]

The interesting part is according to Santi Ovalle yesterday, Arthur was promised a better contract in the summer but Abidal and Planes sat down with him and told him, the club has no money and they needed money in order to Balance the budget and acquire a striker.

COVID fucked a lot of teams up but the combination of that and how badly we spent our money in the transfer market, especially in our FWD line is really coming back to haunt us.

Lautaro for 90m + Firpo incoming then?

 

[xXKonan]

Lautaro for 90m + Firpo incoming then?

Probably.

But it depends if we can convince Inter that Firpo is worth 40 Million. Apparently they only rate him at 20 while 40 for us.

 

[DonAK]

Probably.

But it depends if we can convince Inter that Firpo is worth 40 Million. Apparently they only rate him at 20 while 40 for us.

As in recent times Barca will budge in the end. They did so for Dembele and Coutinho.

 

[wisconsincule]

The interesting part is according to Santi Ovalle yesterday, Arthur was promised a better contract in the summer but Abidal and Planes sat down with him and told him, the club has no money and they needed money in order to Balance the budget and acquire a striker.

COVID fucked a lot of teams up but the combination of that and how badly we spent our money in the transfer market, especially in our FWD line is really coming back to haunt us.

So let’s make yet another massive investment who is not guaranteed to pan out. The people in charge of this club are absolute morons.

I really think the move is not spending any money on a big name signing this year. Try to recover a bit financially and let the next board have a crack at things.

will go out guns blazing unfortunately

 

[Barcilliant]

Barto and Co just want to sabotage the next board. Their candidate has no chance of winning so they will try and fuck shit up as badly as possible.

 

[SeloBarca]

Not that I think he is particularly good (or will become much better), I really hope he flat out just refuses to leave, even if threatened with "you'll not play a single minute if you stay bla bla bla"

It has worked for Rakitic for years now so why not

 

[Birdy]

In two years time he will be at Milan/Roma surely. In the beginning there will be some hype mostly made by people who love to see somebody move like Xavi but just pass it sideways. Guess there will be many highlights videos with background music which will make Song look like Xavi and stuff like "we made a mistake", "look how good he is with a good coach" etc, etc. Think you know what I talk about.

Over time he will be found out eventually, I said after his first 1-2 month here that he wouldn't make it and people disagreed strongly, many even called him top 3 cm, top 5 cm, somebody even said he was the best in the world LOL.

Lack of quality + bad stamina + nightlight.

Not worried about losing Arthur at all.

It seems that people easily forget that Xavi was regarded as 'inadequate' at the age of 23 that Arthur is today, that 'he will never make the first team', he 'will never become the new Guardiola' etc, just as comments like the one above say for Arthur now.
But, apparently, Xavi after a while made the XI, and after some while more, when under a world-class manager like Pep Guardiola, with clear plan and ideas about how they game should be played and how Xavi's strengthd should be utilized, then people labelled Xavi as world-class.

I cannot help people who cannot see that Arthur at the age of 23 has enormous potential, especially for a possession-based game like Barca's. He is at the age of 23 top-5 in the world in protecting the ball, and not being dispossessed. Sure, there are many aspects of his game that could, and should, be improved, like it was the case for the 23yr old Xavi.

And even if we concede that Arthur may never become Xavi, why would anyone wanting the well-being of the team trade a 23yr old with potential to get a 30yr old approaching the end of his career with max1-2 years of decent football ahead of him??

PS: The last point shows the real issue here: how a board can be SO CRIMINALLY and OPENLY undermining the future of the club to cover up their own financial mess.
Normally, this should not have been tolerated at all, this should have started a revolution among socios and cules.
Yes, elections are coming up in 1 year and hopefully Bartomeu's gang will be out soon, but there is enough time until then to destroy the club more, as we see in Arthur's case

 

[vegitot]

It seems that people easily forget that Xavi was regarded as 'inadequate' at the age of 23 that Arthur is today, that 'he will never make the first team', he 'will never become the new Guardiola' etc, just as comments like the one above say for Arthur now.
But, apparently, Xavi after a while made the XI, and after some while more, when under a world-class manager like Pep Guardiola, with clear plan and ideas about how they game should be played and how Xavi's strengthd should be utilized, then people labelled Xavi as world-class.

I cannot help people who cannot see that Arthur at the age of 23 has enormous potential, especially for a possession-based game like Barca's. He is at the age of 23 top-5 in the world in protecting the ball, and not being dispossessed. Sure, there are many aspects of his game that could, and should, be improved, like it was the case for the 23yr old Xavi.

And even if we concede that Arthur may never become Xavi, why would anyone wanting the well-being of the team trade a 23yr old with potential to get a 30yr old approaching the end of his career with max1-2 years of decent football ahead of him??

PS: The last point shows the real issue here: how a board can be SO CRIMINALLY and OPENLY undermining the future of the club to cover up their own financial mess.
Normally, this should not have been tolerated at all, this should have started a revolution among socios and cules.
Yes, elections are coming up in 1 year and hopefully Bartomeu's gang will be out soon, but there is enough time until then to destroy the club more, as we see in Arthur's case

Arthur is not close to Xavi at 23. Back in early 2000s, player like Xavi didnt get much attention, totally different than now. He was underrated while Arthur is overhyped. Xavi also played many roles at Barca at that time except his favourite role. Xavi was even rated by Opta as one of best midfielder. That is something Arthur can not do.

2 seasons at Barca and Arthur hasnt improved a bit. In fact he has declined.

 

[Birdy]

Arthur is not close to Xavi at 23. Back in early 2000s, player like Xavi didnt get much attention, totally different than now. He was underrated while Arthur is overhyped. Xavi also played many roles at Barca at that time except his favourite role. Xavi was even rated by Opta as one of best midfielder. That is something Arthur can not do.

2 seasons at Barca and Arthur hasnt improved a bit. In fact he has declined.

Social Media these days work differently, it was not easy back then for someone to get attention, i will grant you that.
But, everything else you say is your personal opinion, which is not backed by the facts.

Back in the 2000s, no one would buy Xavi.
Xavi was given a chance by a coach like Louis Van Gaal, who had a culture of trusting youngsters, and giving them space to develop AGAINST 'common-sensical' reactions like the ones i mentioned above ('He will never become the new Guardiola' 'he does not have the level' etc, similar to the ones we hear now from Arthur doubters).
It was Van Gaal's insistence to trust Xavi and Puyol against these opinions, because he saw potential in them, something that another coach would have not dared to do, going for the ready-made artifact instead.
Xavi was given the necessary trust at a young age, and because of that, we was able afterwards, at the gloomy days after Van Gaal', to consolidate himself at the starting XI.
But even then, given that the team was struggling, doubters were still not sure what 'he excels at', or if he ever gonna become 'something more', phrases we hear often in these cases. But given that the squad was not strong enough there (or another side of the same coin was at the time, no one would pay attention to a ball-playing CDM), people would just compromise with Xavi starting.
Even in the successful Raikaard era, Xavi was not considered an indispensable piece, like Ronaldinho or Eto'o. CL '06 and Edmilson - Van Bommel could do the job really well, and no one would realize the absence of Xavi.
Xavi's value in the history of the sport found its true place only with Pep Guardiola, only with a type of football that Xavi could for the first time actualize all his potential on the pitch.

Fast Forward 20 years from the 2000s: Given the revolution of the last 10 years in possession-based football, there are more people who can see what value a player like Arthur can bring, than the people who could see that in young Xavi. The people that love Arthur are the people that see the potential in him, and realize that under a proper coach he could become world-class.
The people that doubt Arthur are the ones who want a ready-made artifact, like the ones who were always 'not convinced' about Xavi, until Guardiola came to cement that discussion once and for ever

 

[vegitot]

Social Media these days work differently, it was not easy back then for someone to get attention, i will grant you that.
But, everything else you say is your personal opinion, which is not backed by the facts.

Back in the 2000s, no one would buy Xavi.
Xavi was given a chance by a coach like Louis Van Gaal, who had a culture of trusting youngsters, and giving them space to develop AGAINST 'common-sensical' reactions like the ones i mentioned above ('He will never become the new Guardiola' 'he does not have the level' etc, similar to the ones we hear now from Arthur doubters).
It was Van Gaal's insistence to trust Xavi and Puyol against these opinions, because he saw potential in them, something that another coach would have not dared to do, going for the ready-made artifact instead.
Xavi was given the necessary trust at a young age, and because of that, we was able afterwards, at the gloomy days after Van Gaal', to consolidate himself at the starting XI.
But even then, given that the team was struggling, doubters were still not sure what 'he excels at', or if he ever gonna become 'something more', phrases we hear often in these cases. But given that the squad was not strong enough there (or another side of the same coin was at the time, no one would pay attention to a ball-playing CDM), people would just compromise with Xavi starting.
Even in the successful Raikaard era, Xavi was not considered an indispensable piece, like Ronaldinho or Eto'o. CL '06 and Edmilson - Van Bommel could do the job really well, and no one would realize the absence of Xavi.
Xavi's value in the history of the sport found its true place only with Pep Guardiola, only with a type of football that Xavi could for the first time actualize all his potential on the pitch.

Fast Forward 20 years from the 2000s: Given the revolution of the last 10 years in possession-based football, there are more people who can see what value a player like Arthur can bring, than the people who could see that in young Xavi. The people that love Arthur are the people that see the potential in him, and realize that under a proper coach he could become world-class.
The people that doubt Arthur are the ones who want a ready-made artifact, like the ones who were always 'not convinced' about Xavi, until Guardiola came to cement that discussion once and for ever

Xavi was the best player of Euro 2008,way before Guardiola. Also 2005 best Spainish player. Check his performance vs RM 2004 at Bernabeu, vs England and many more. During 2003/2004 seadon, Xavi had 5 goals and 13 assits, way above Arthur. And not even mention to his fitness level compared to Arthur's.

During Rijkaard's era, he was not main man of midfield. Deco was and Ronaldinho was team main playmaker. He played more at CDM. That is quite opposite to Arthur who plays at his position.

 

[Respekt_III]

Why are we comparing Arthur to the goat midfielder of that generation? No one should be expecting Arthur to hit xavi levels... Feel sorry for the guy that's needs to try replace Messi in the future...
Other than similar characteristics he should be judged on what he offer to the club currently or may potentially offer us in the not too distant future.

 

[vegitot]

Arthur may posses some abilities similiar to Xavi like ball possesion, press resist but way below Xavi level. And not even mention to Xavi's playmaking abilities. At same age, 23 years old Xavi scored 5 goals and made 13 assits in 2003/2004 season. How many of Arthur? Only have 4 assits in nearly 2 seasons. He has talent but not close to 23 years old Xavi.