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vegitot

Senior Member
FCMessi said:
Phil schone: Arthur and Puig both 91% passing success rate. what's the difference? <-- what a dumb shit

Ray Hudson: blah blah blah fking useless shit.

the simple facts: Arthur all side way and back passes, little or no dribbling ability, always going to left.

Puig plenty of forward and through passes, prolific dribbling, mad hustling defensively.
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Puig is vastly superior. Look at how Celta players keep fouling him because they can not take the ball off him.

Arthur may know that Puig is already better than him so he choose to leave.
 
DonAndres

DonAndres

Wild Man of Borneo
Eshez said:
It was the kind of performance everyone slams Arthur for..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otp-JUcrEZs

Easy pass and decent ball retention...
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Did you only watch the first 30 seconds of that comp or what?

Puig was easily our best midfielder today. Arthur doesn't show as much passing range, not as quick at moving the ball, not nearly as good off the ball, definitely doesn't press as actively either. And this comp doesn't even show the backheel that won us the FK for our goal.

Honestly this game was just full of individual errors on both ends. Messi bricked 2 clear chances that should be a 100% goal for him without a doubt, Ansu missed 2 big chances as well. We had at least a few good penalty shouts and the Celta players were very liberal with fouling the team knowing they could get away with it. On the other end, Umtiti was an absolute shitshow the entire 90 minutes and Rakitic made some horrendous errors as well as fading badly in the 2nd half. Ter Stegen as well was sloppy and shaken today.

Just errors upon errors which led to this game being a shootout that inevitably didn't go in our favor.

Credit to Celta as well, they played extremely well and are a talented side even if their league position doesn't show it.
 
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mc_lovin

Senior Member
I mean a midfielder can have 100 unspectacular, sideway passes and still have an excellent game. Speed of execution is key. Puig played with a lot of intent today (we should still feed him some steroids).
 
khaled_a_d

khaled_a_d

Senior Member
DonAK said:
Would be hilarious if Arthur decides to stay at the last minute and the board fail to balance the books with the 70m they need, which means the board members have to cover the loss from their own pockets.
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It means they will guarantee the money and if we lose next season again they pay it. So if it happen they will either resign and forget about that, or sell many players to ensure we won't lose in the balance next season.
 
Birdy

Birdy

Senior Member
BBZ8800 said:
Lol.
No offense, but this is total bs.

Xavi was aged 28 when Pep came, lol.
Xavi was aged 23 when Rijkaard came and Xavi-Deco were usually a starting midfield pair for 4 years (Deco came in the 2nd Rijkaard's season, out of 5).

Till the age of 24, Xavi already had 245 appearances for Barca.

Also, about his creative play, Xavi had more forward passes over 30 minutes than Arthur had in 5 years.
Btw, Arthur will be 24 in 40 days.
This is how Xavi played aged 24.
Look at the amount of forward passes, and how he is capable to play a long ball. Arthur's every pass is a 4 meter slow granny pass to a closest teammate.

Please, no one should ever compare Xavi to a sideway passer and jogger Arthur.
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Nice way to see things completely out of context...

1) First of all, I never said that Arthur is exactly the same as Xavi was at 23.
I drew an analogy between what the impression-expectation was of 23yr old Xavi and what the impression-expectation is of 23yr old Arhur, wanting simply to point out the fact that Xavi at the age of 23 was seen as someone with qualities, but NOT as someone that can live up to Guardiola's name.

2) What I wrote concerns, as i made it clear, common opinion and fan-base, not coaches themselves. Of course, coaches were playing Xavi as regular at the age of 24 because they could see what the uneducated eye could not see: what a player with Xavi's qualities could offer to the team. Hence, the 245 appearances.
But it is not the fan-base was not satisfied with Xavi, it is rather that Xavi starting was Ok given the low level of the team at the time (before Raikaard).
Bring in the context and the perspective from which you evaluate the numbers changes completely.

3) When Pep came in, he changed Xavi's role and unleashed his full potential. hopefully, we agree on that.
But he did that in the context of a coordinated mechanism, where each player had a specific role on the pitch, and Xavi's qualities were utilized at a maximum level.
Xavi became a benchmark for everyone under Pep.
Refusal to accept that is simply distortion of history, and anachronistic projection over the past.

4) Throwing the out-of-context statistics of assists-goals does not prove anything. Give me the context of those statistics.
Arthur's passes are sideways and back in the context of a tactically mismanaged team the last many years, that crams up midfielders close to one another, having few players to run in behind or give width, so as to enable the forward passes that you would want to see..

Look at Puig's compilation today. Same position as Arthur normally plays (left interior), same passes to the same spaces.
They both suffer from the lack of a proper tactical set-up that can take advantage of the qualities they have.
 
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vegitot

Senior Member
mc_lovin said:
I mean a midfielder can have 100 unspectacular, sideway passes and still have an excellent game. Speed of execution is key. Puig played with a lot of intent today (we should still feed him some steroids).
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Agree. With all moneys spent to garbage players. Need spend some on Puig
 
snowy

snowy

Well-known member
Caramel fudge ZZ Top, he's not even gone and I miss him already bouhou! need ma security blanket!!!

and why is this fugly Rat Barto surviving everyone here. :tantrum:

Let's call Juve and use the "it's just a prank, bro" card. Keep Arthur and UPS Espresso Barto instead
 
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