Barca elections 2015

[DonAK]

Poll among socis during the debate yesterday

 

[Flavia]

Okay so not one sided from Marca/Madrid media which is not a bad sign.

I think he was wrong to use the club to send out his leaflets and the comments I dont know the context of what was being said so struggle to have any real opinion on it.

What do you think about Laporta using club money to spy on players and officials and what do you think of Laporta using the club for personal gain etc?

Please dont use the cop out of 'im not a Laporta supporter' as I am not a Barto supporter either.

You're not a barto supporter? Are you sure? Because you defend him so much, you had me fooled

The context was him being asked about the indictment. That was him trying to justificate something, I'm not sure what he was thinking. And he was more than wrong, he sending his propaganda to all socis is pretty bad. Pure corruption.
Barto used the club for his political gain and agenda, something used to say laporta is corrupt. So is Barto too. Both the same, I'm openly supporting Benedito. A shame he doesn't have grupo godó behind him, as barto does.

And this is not madrid media being fair:

"Bartomeu keeps composure"

He completely lost it yesterday.

 

[JamDav1982]

You're not a barto supporter? Are you sure? Because you defend him so much, you had me fooled

The context was him being asked about the indictment. That was him trying to justificate something, I'm not sure what he was thinking. And he was more than wrong, he sending his propaganda to all socis is pretty bad. Pure corruption.
Barto used the club for his political gain and agenda, something used to say laporta is corrupt. So is Barto too. Both the same, I'm openly supporting Benedito. A shame he doesn't have grupo godó behind him, as barto does.

And this is not madrid media being fair:

"Bartomeu keeps composure"

He completely lost it yesterday.

Again you are quoting Marca who also have articles saying that Laporta won the debate.

Do you really think Marca think they can tell lies which will be picked up by the Socios and influence the vote?

A sfor Barto 'completely losing it' the above poll of Socios show they dont think that and he only came second in the debate by a fairly small margin.

If Barto doesnt win it is fine by me. You act as if I came in and tried to claim he won the debate or something. All I said it is not as one sided as you make out and you blow a fuse trying to get me to answer questions on Barto.

 

[MessiDinho10]

Laporta is corrupt and used and will use the club for personal gain and his political promotion and agenda. What's worse, he doesn't look prepared at all. Just empty phrases and recycling old glory.

Define personal gain, because nothing you said points to Laporta being corrupt. Using the club for political promotion is not corruption. Corruption involves taking bribes, cryonism, kickbacks, embezzlement, electoral fraud etc. I don't recall Laporta committing any of those. If he payed hookers with club money that might be something along the lines embezzlement, but it's a big if. Bartomeu on the other hand... He tried to unfairly influence the voters by club mails containing his campaigning brochures (electoral fraud), appoints his friends at the club and uses Rosell's Viagogo to sell tickets for club matches (cryonism, hard to prove I have to admit, especially in football when it comes to hiring people), kickbacks (Douglas transfer is very shady, and don't forget the investigations involving Teixeira and other Brazilian officials who are friends/business partners with Rosell and therefore related to Bartomeu). And then there's tax fraud and suspicions for money laundering, contract breach with MCM... Those are not classified as corruption, but are criminal charges nonetheless.

 

[JamDav1982]

Define personal gain, because nothing you said points to Laporta being corrupt. Using the club for political promotion is not corruption. Corruption involves taking bribes, cryonism, kickbacks, embezzlement, electoral fraud etc. I don't recall Laporta committing any of those. If he payed hookers with club money that might be something along the lines embezzlement, but it's a big if. Bartomeu on the other hand... He tried to unfairly influence the voters by club mails containing his campaigning brochures (electoral fraud), appoints his friends at the club and uses Rosell's Viagogo to sell tickets for club matches (cryonism, hard to prove I have to admit, especially in football when it comes to hiring people), kickbacks (Douglas transfer is very shady, and don't forget the investigations involving Teixeira and other Brazilian officials who are friends/business partners with Rosell and therefore related to Bartomeu). And then there's tax fraud and suspicions for money laundering, contract breach with MCM... Those are not classified as corruption, but are criminal charges nonetheless.

You want specific incidents of Barto being corrupt then just go on to list a load of speculations of 'personal gain'.

No point even going in to it but few examples of how one sided the view is - Laporta spent more money on Traffic players and 'shady deals'. Laporta also had the 'shady' Rosell as his right hand man when he had those connections in Brazil. While almost every top club in the world sell tickets through viagogo.

A lot of those accusations you level could be pointed at both of them.

 

[Flavia]

Again you are quoting Marca who also have articles saying that Laporta won the debate.

Do you really think Marca think they can tell lies which will be picked up by the Socios and influence the vote?

A sfor Barto 'completely losing it' the above poll of Socios show they dont think that and he only came second in the debate by a fairly small margin.

If Barto doesnt win it is fine by me. You act as if I came in and tried to claim he won the debate or something. All I said it is not as one sided as you make out and you blow a fuse trying to get me to answer questions on Barto.

He lost it. If laporta wins, it'll be because of this debate, but I still doubt it. Barto has the nuñistas and conservatives on his side. Most who will vote for Barto are ok with him being a slime figure, what more can he do? Balming the club for his mistakes, saying qatar doesn't make Barça look bad, etc, etc.

And if you think media have no effect on people's opinions... I don't know what to say. Md was full on pogba, putting him on the cover almost everyday, when he was a target for Barto. Since that ended, it's like pogba doesn't exist anymore. Or braida. Truly a mystery.

Madrid based media prefers barto. He won't stand up against him, as neither he or rosell ever did. They don't want laporta because he used to do those things. And it's not about influencing the socis, that's up to grupo godó. It's just an indication of who they want to be Barça's president. Because I highly doubt anything from madrid would want the best for Barça.

It's precisely because media influences people so much that Benedito has no chance. He doesn't have 2 newspapers and radios backing him up.

 

[JamDav1982]

He lost it. If laporta wins, it'll be because of this debate, but I still doubt it. Barto has the nuñistas and conservatives on his side. Most who will vote for Barto are ok with him being a slime figure, what more can he do? Balming the club for his mistakes, saying qatar doesn't make Barça look bad, etc, etc.

And if you think media have no effect on people's opinions... I don't know what to say. Md was full on pogba, putting him on the cover almost everyday, when he was a target for Barto. Since that ended, it's like pogba doesn't exist anymore. Or braida. Truly a mystery.

Madrid based media prefers barto. He won't stand up against him, as neither he or rosell ever did. They don't want laporta because he used to do those things. And it's not about influencing the socis, that's up to grupo godó. It's just an indication of who they want to be Barça's president. Because I highly doubt anything from madrid would want the best for Barça.

It's precisely because media influences people so much that Benedito has no chance. He doesn't have 2 newspapers and radios backing him up.

Not saying the media has no effect but I dont think it has the ability to drastically alter the opinions of people in the way it is made out.

I dont buy that Barto doesnt stand up to Madrid or the Madrid media. They are never done hitting back at Madrid and where they perceive the club is under attack from yet when they do they get called out for making excuses for 'their crimes'.

The media back the wrong winner in elections all the time and even looking at the sports Papers in Spain today they are giving a lot of voice to Laporta and some saying he won the debate through socios polls etc.

The debate last night just reminds me of all the debates during Scottish Indpendence election. Everyone thinks their favs won and the others were terrible. Nothing new.

 

[Hamzah]

is it likely that bartomeu will go to jail?

 

[Xtroverto]

Lower wages, for instance. Compare rm's to Barça's and you'll see the difference.

Another problem is rosell's plataform was based on austerity, as they used to say Laporta left the club in a big debt(which was proven to be not true later on). And now, 5 years later, the net debt increased, and the income has stagnated. Nothing improved.

But lower wages means loosing players to other clubs offering better wages, practically no players are loyal enough to reject a wage hike just to be able to stay in their club of preference, just look at Sergio Ramos antics. Match day income rose by 20 million this season, to me that indicate the purge on black market sellers is working as the average attendance has not increased.

Also the debt will be high regardless of who is the president, socios will not accept paying of the debt at the expense of winning trophies.

 

[Flavia]

Not saying the media has no effect but I dont think it has the ability to drastically alter the opinions of people in the way it is made out.

I dont buy that Barto doesnt stand up to Madrid or the Madrid media. They are never done hitting back at Madrid and where they perceive the club is under attack from yet when they do they get called out for making excuses for 'their crimes'.

The media back the wrong winner in elections all the time and even looking at the sports Papers in Spain today they are giving a lot of voice to Laporta and some saying he won the debate through socios polls etc.

The debate last night just reminds me of all the debates during Scottish Indpendence election. Everyone thinks their favs won and the others were terrible. Nothing new.

Sure, sure... I don't like Freixa one bit,he's the same as Barto, for me. But he was pretty impressive, as was Benedito. Laporta was dull and underwhelming. Bartomeu managed to be worse than that. Benedito's pressure yesterday on Barto worked wonders. So much that today Bartomeu said he has a different sponsor for the jersey, lol.

But weren't you saying yesterday you were nodding to everything Barto said, even though you weren't understand it? I wonder if you nodded to when he said qatar is good for Barça, or that he couldn't find a better sponsor, or that poor barto was indicted because of a crime Barça commited

 

[JamDav1982]

Sure, sure... I don't like Freixa one bit,he's the same as Barto, for me. But he was pretty impressive, as was Benedito. Laporta was dull and underwhelming. Bartomeu managed to be worse than that. Benedito's pressure yesterday on Barto worked wonders. So much that today Bartomeu said he has a different sponsor for the jersey, lol.

But weren't you saying yesterday you were nodding to everything Barto said, even though you weren't understand it? I wonder if you nodded to when he said qatar is good for Barça, or that he couldn't find a better sponsor, or that poor barto was indicted because of a crime Barça commited

I thought Barto mentioned the alternative sponsors yesterday before the debate?

Haha ffs I was being overly sarcastic about nodding to Barto playing on fact people actually think I am like that!

 

[Flavia]

But lower wages means loosing players to other clubs offering better wages, practically no players are loyal enough to reject a wage hike just to be able to stay in their club of preference, just look at Sergio Ramos antics. Match day income rose by 20 million this season, to me that indicate the purge on black market sellers is working as the average attendance has not increased.

Also the debt will be high regardless of who is the president, socios will not accept paying of the debt at the expense of winning trophies.

Well, rm is not losing their players, are they? Their wage bill is lower than Barça's. Some players are getting way too much money. Song, for instance, was being overpaid.

I thought Barto mentioned the alternative sponsors yesterday before the debate?

Haha ffs I was being overly sarcastic about nodding to Barto playing on fact people actually think I am like that!

You do sound like that, jamdav. It really seems you're his and rosell's biggest fan.

 

[JamDav1982]

Well, rm is not losing their players, are they? Their wage bill is really lower than Barça's. Some players are getting way too much money. Song, for instance, was being overpaid.



You do sound like that, jamdav. It really seems you're his and rosell's biggest fan.

I am not his or Rosells biggest fan if Barto gets voted out and the Socios prefer Laporta then it is fine by me but I do think there is a huge Laporta myth when he is as shady and seems stuck in past.

For me it is between the two and it seems Laporta has less of a plan and if pushed I think future of club is better under Barto but either way dont feel massively strongly unless I think people are just being completely biased.

Although I do think that Barto should run on idea if he is getting deep into the trial and in trouble he should resign without his Vice President stepping in.

 

[Ini8]

Benedito is saying that the sponsorship deal with Flight Without Wings is a 3 year deal that would bring us €70-€80m annually.

Also saying something about Verratti I'm not quite sure about. I think he says that a deal with PSG is possible and he wouldn't cost us €50m, implying that he would be cheaper.

 

[JamDav1982]

Benedito is saying that the sponsorship deal with Flight Without Wings is a 3 year deal that would bring us €70-€80m annually.

Also saying something about Verratti I'm not quite sure about. I think he says that a deal with PSG is possible and he wouldn't cost us €50m, implying that he would be cheaper.

That sponsorship deal just seems like fantasy. Not that I dont believe they could get 80m but a new company paying that much money doesnt ring true at all and for me just seems like a mutual benefit of free publicity for them and appearance of deals in place for Benedito.