Barca Transfers and Rumors

Wick

Member
What are we doing? Sending off our talents and vasting 50 million on more backups :facepalm:

You forgot the part where the backups - young backups - were bought with the intention of being future starters. Great approach buying young talents slowly integrating them into the squad. Denis is back (great decision to let him leave and develop!), Rafinha was brought back, we can get Adama and Halilovic back if they develop like Denis did. Munir and Samper can come back as they wont be sold without buy back option or maybe even only loaned. Going the "Denis"-route is the right decision. If they develop and prove themselves like Denis did, they'll be back. Only bad decision was letting Grimaldo go without buy back. But Digne looks promising, so it doesn't hurt that much. Unless you got this thing where players have to be Spanish or Catalan. For me, Digne is fine. I don't see the problem.
 
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gregorrin10

Senior Member
You forgot the part where the backups - young backups - were bought with the intention of being future starters. Great approach buying young talents slowly integrating them into the squad. Denis is back (great decision to let him leave and develop!), Rafinha was brought back, we can get Adama and Halilovic back if they develop like Denis did. Munir and Samler can comeback as they wont be sold without buy back option or maybe even only loaned. Going the "Denis"-route is the right decision. If they develop and prove themselves like Denis did, they'll be back. Only bad decision was letting Grimaldo go without buy back. But Digne looks promising, so it doesn't hurt that much. Unless you got this thing where players have to be Spanish or Catalan. For me, Digne is fine. I don't see the problem.

WORD! And as for Munir and Samper, they will get exactly what they need: a season (or two?) of playing hopefully regularly in a team, who is still strong enough to be fighting at least for a midtable finish, if not even for Europe competitions (with a little luck). So it'll be a great experience for them, Valencia is exactly the kind of perfect team quality-wise that Celta (Rafinha) and Villareal (Denis) are.

Really hoping this deal goes through, Alves would also be a great replacement for Bravo, MATS would finally deservedly get to be 1st choice, the possible ruining of team harmony about the 1st choice GK situation would be fixed, and we'd also have a strong and i think a little more reliable backup for MSN than we have now. Hopefully Munir can also become that after playing regularly on loan. Cause even though he really impressed (me too) during this pre-season, it's easy to imagine the inconsistency to come sooner or later, and that's where we'll be fucked, especially if one of MSN gets injured for a couple of weeks or worse. Paco is the obvious upgrade right now, while a loan will do great for Munir's consistency and future potential too. He (and Samper) will return just like Denis did, and they can be another great squad players, but quality enough to properly challenge our current first choices right from the get-go and then sooner or later become actual starters, just like all of this summer's bought players are.

People complaining about buying backups...these backups actually have the potential to be our 1st choice in a matter of a couple of years, we're in a position to have a kickass lineup even after Iniesta, Suarez, even Busquets and Messi stop playing. I imagine it to be something like this: Ter Stegen-Roberto-Marlon-Umtiti-Digne; Gomes-Samper-Denis; Halilovič/Adama(Dule!?)-Paco-Neymar.

In recent years, with Iniesta getting injured even for 2 weeks, we would be in panic mode, but now? Not worried at all, Denis is fantastic, and we still have Gomes, who is yet to play! The same will go for Suarez, if Paco comes. Even though there's still the obvious lapse in quality, it's still not as big as it would be a season or two ago. We have fantastic squad depth, which will only get better, if we manage to get Alves and Paco, GK and attack positions would then be safe in terms of depth too, like midfield and defence (the exception maybe being the RB position, but not if Roberto keeps performing) already are.

Finally we won't be shaking our boots after every injury, apart from that being Busquets and Messi, who are practically irreplaceable in any case.
 
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KingMessi

SiempreBlaugrana
What are we doing? Sending off our talents and vasting 50 million on more backups :facepalm:

The backups are talented as well and at least Samper and Munir will stand a good chance of playing regularly, and if/when they develop we will buy them back.
 

Andrew M

New member
Alcacer is no where near good enough to be a future starter, for those that think so. :lol: Did anyone watch Valencia last season? I watched 90% of their games. Morata is much better.
 

Andrew M

New member
I have seen a lot of Alcacer games and I just wonder why people rate him so highly. He's alright. I'm tempted to say save the money for next year and keep Munir
 
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Aryagorn

Improvin' Perfection!!
Alcacer is no where near good enough to be a future starter, for those that think so. :lol: Did anyone watch Valencia last season? I watched 90% of their games. Morata is much better.
Agreed that Morata is probably better than Paco..... But how are we going to bring Morata though?

Anyway, to be fair to Paco, Morata played for Juventus a team much better than Valencia and he's year older too!
 

Andrew M

New member
Agreed that Morata is probably better than Paco..... But how are we going to bring Morata though?

Anyway, to be fair to Paco, Morata played for Juventus a team much better than Valencia and he's year older too!

I made the comparison with Morata because both are potentially the 4th forward for us and Real while being young and Spanish. Not thinking for a moment we would ever sign him.

Alcacer is just a bit...pedestrian.

Not quick, doesn't really participate in build-up. I suppose his strength is in the runs he makes and positional sense. He is a fox in the box type.

I'd compare him with Javier Hernandez.
 

Barcilliant

Senior Member
Valencia are a mess. Does it really make sense to send two talents to a club who may get relegated?
Also Alcacer is not an upgrade on Munir. He's a decent player but little else. Id rather Munir stay and be given more minutes.

I feel sorry that Valencia are in such a shit state and we are taking advantage of that.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Real Madrid are loaning their players left and right (Jesús Vallejo to Eintracht Frankfurt, Moyoral to Wolfsburg and Odegaard reportedly to Rennes), why are we selling ours with shabby buy-back options (like the one for Halilovic which is only good for two years)? There is always the risk of a player not wanting to return, also there could be rather lengthy negotiations like we did with Denis Suarez earlier this summer. What's the benefit of the latter option anyway?
 

Andrew M

New member
Real Madrid are loaning their players left and right (Jesús Vallejo to Eintracht Frankfurt, Moyoral to Wolfsburg and Odegaard reportedly to Rennes), why are we selling ours with shabby buy-back options (like the one for Halilovic which is only good for two years)? There is always the risk of a player not wanting to return, also there could be rather lengthy negotiations like we did with Denis Suarez earlier this summer. What's the benefit of the latter option anyway?


Real has already bought back Carvajal to great success and now Morata
 

Co0ter

Senior Member
Valencia are a mess. Does it really make sense to send two talents to a club who may get relegated?
Also Alcacer is not an upgrade on Munir. He's a decent player but little else. Id rather Munir stay and be given more minutes.

I feel sorry that Valencia are in such a shit state and we are taking advantage of that.

I don't mind taking advantage of it at all. It sucks for the league because it is tearing apart one of the few teams that can consistently give the bigger teams a hard time (AM, RM, Barca) because they have good players and talent (although they often don't live up to it as a team). However, if they are going to ultimately crash and burn, I rather us take players we need then them go somewhere else, unfortunately.

I do agree with you though, Paco is 2 years older than Munir and I really don't see him as a notably better upgrade. Munir is a bit too light on his feet for me and he doesn't have the pace someone like Neymar has to make up for it, but as far as finishing ability and overall quality I feel they are very similar....but Munir is younger. Paco is weeks away from turning 23 and I haven't seen anything from him to suggest he has a huge ceiling and is capable of getting much better, or developing qualities he doesn't already possess. I'm not sure how I feel about spending 30mil on a player that is questionably better than what we already have as a 4th option.
 
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