Barca Transfers and Rumors

[Porque]

We should be able to be competitive for a signing like Echeverri though. I mean sure, the arabs can move money under the table rather easily, but a 17 year old prospect from South America who is not a huge prospect is not going to be going for huge money really.

 

[khaled_a_d]

We should be able to be competitive for a signing like Echeverri though. I mean sure, the arabs can move money under the table rather easily, but a 17 year old prospect from South America who is not a huge prospect is not going to be going for huge money really.

Only if you are prioritizing him big time.
We did that with Roque, we were willing to push the limits for him. Seems that isn't the case for many others (Arda, Echeverri & maybe Estevao)
I mean look at it this way, Madrid got Endrik in 2022, Arda in 2023, City got Alvarez in 2022 and are getting Echeverri in 2024.
Barca, with financial limits are only getting Roque, along tier 2 or 3 talents. Sounds expected tbh

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

This is actually poor and depressing from Barca. They should keep rolling the dice with these young Argentinean and Brazilian players and sooner or later you are bound to uncover a diamond. After all, the best players in football have historically come from these two countries. And even the premium priced ones are vastly cheaper than their European counterparts.

The majority of Brazilians and Argentinians have Barca as number 1 on their wish list. Rodrygo, Endrick and Vini all wanted Barca. Estevao and Echeverri both want Barca.

The fact that we are not taking advantage of our pull over in South America is a massive error. Our tactic when we pulled the levers should have been to pick up the best young talents from South America. The fact we wasted that money on Raph, Ferran, Lewa and Kounde will haunt us even more than the 400m spent on Dembele, Coutinho and Griezmann.

 

[serghei]

The fact that we are not taking advantage of our pull over in South America is a massive error. Our tactic when we pulled the levers should have been to pick up the best young talents from South America. The fact we wasted that money on Raph, Ferran, Lewa and Kounde will haunt us even more than the 400m spent on Dembele, Coutinho and Griezmann.

For a team to function well you need a healthy mix of players at different stages of their career, not only raw and inexperienced 17-18-year-old kids. That is a terrible plan.

Do you think City is signing Echeverri to play him instead of De Bruyne or Bernardo Silva? No. They are taking this talent to develop him in time, in 3-5 years. They are never going to give him a prominent role quickly and put insane pressure on him to deliver like De Bruyne.

Every top-class club makes signings for the present and future. That's completely normal. The only abnormal thing about Barca is that a club of this magnitude has less money to spend than bottom-table teams in EPL. That's the elephant in the room and the cause of all of our issues.

And it is not something that can be fixed soon.

 

[mc_lovin]

^
That would have been a shitty and naive strategy.

 

[Porque]

Only if you are prioritizing him big time.
We did that with Roque, we were willing to push the limits for him. Seems that isn't the case for many others (Arda, Echeverri & maybe Estevao)
I mean look at it this way, Madrid got Endrik in 2022, Arda in 2023, City got Alvarez in 2022 and are getting Echeverri in 2024.
Barca, with financial limits are only getting Roque, along tier 2 or 3 talents. Sounds expected tbh

And we were first to get the Mali kid who having watched the tournament was my personal MVP. Of course Echeverri had that crack match versus Brazil.

Haven't seen much of Eche admittedly but from what I have seen reminds me of Lamela who we signed and FIFA stopped. Good talent that didn't end top tier. Obviously a drop of the ocean for City to try on.

 

[khaled_a_d]

And we were first to get the Mali kid who having watched the tournament was my personal MVP.

One thing stands out about this kid is his passing, top notch playmaking skills for a kid of his talent.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

For a team to function well you need a healthy mix of players at different stages of their career, not only raw and inexperienced 17-18-year-old kids. That is a terrible plan.

Do you think City is signing Echeverri to play him instead of De Bruyne or Bernardo Silva? No. They are taking this talent to develop him in time, in 3-5 years. They are never going to give him a prominent role quickly and put insane pressure on him to deliver like De Bruyne.

Every top-class club makes signings for the present and future. That's completely normal. The only abnormal thing about Barca is that a club of this magnitude has less money to spend than bottom-table teams in EPL. That's the elephant in the room and the cause of all of our issues.

And it is not something that can be fixed soon.

You start off by comparing Barca to Man City and then end up talking about Barca having no money. Barca are in a different situation to City. Of course City are not signing Echi for the first team. But they signed Alvarez for the first team and he was another one that Barca could have got, but instead decided to pay 3 times as much for 'established ' Ferran.

When you are on the edge of bankruptcy you have to identify your USP and capitalized on that to stay semi competitive. Barca's pull in South America is Barca's trump card. Instead they decided to pay up for 'established' players in Europe, hoping for 3-4 years of success to reload the wallet. Well that has failed massively. We got 1 year out of it. And now we are back broke again, unable to afford anyone.

The best money Barca have spent on a transfer will end up being Mikky Faye. Not South American, but an up and coming promising young player. Can you honestly say that he would have done a worse job than Alonso who cost 7m?

Everyone wants Vitor to play instead of Lewa. I would have preferred Rodrygo instead of Ferran. Alvarez instead of Raphinha. Andre Santos or Varela instead of Romeu. All were breaking their backs to come. Would you have not preferred them?

Instead of having promising, young players with high potential re sale value, their strategy has resulted in bang average players stinking up the joint and refusing to budge. It seems more and more clear to me that they sold their ass for 1 La Liga title.

 

[Messigician]

You start off by comparing Barca to Man City and then end up talking about Barca having no money. Barca are in a different situation to City. Of course City are not signing Echi for the first team. But they signed Alvarez for the first team and he was another one that Barca could have got, but instead decided to pay 3 times as much for 'established ' Ferran.

When you are on the edge of bankruptcy you have to identify your USP and capitalized on that to stay semi competitive. Barca's pull in South America is Barca's trump card. Instead they decided to pay up for 'established' players in Europe, hoping for 3-4 years of success to reload the wallet. Well that has failed massively. We got 1 year out of it. And now we are back broke again, unable to afford anyone.

The best money Barca have spent on a transfer will end up being Mikky Faye. Not South American, but an up and coming promising young player. Can you honestly say that he would have done a worse job than Alonso who cost 7m?

Everyone wants Vitor to play instead of Lewa. I would have preferred Rodrygo instead of Ferran. Alvarez instead of Raphinha. Andre Santos or Varela instead of Romeu. All were breaking their backs to come. Would you have not preferred them?

Instead of having promising, young players with high potential re sale value, their strategy has resulted in bang average players stinking up the joint and refusing to budge. It seems more and more clear to me that they sold their ass for 1 La Liga title.

Head canon those players were interested

 

[serghei]

You start off by comparing Barca to Man City and then end up talking about Barca having no money. Barca are in a different situation to City. Of course City are not signing Echi for the first team. But they signed Alvarez for the first team and he was another one that Barca could have got, but instead decided to pay 3 times as much for 'established ' Ferran.

Wrong. Barca aren't in a different situation to just City. But most EPL top teams, Madrid, PSG and other clubs too. The club is 2nd tier. Behind 6-7 clubs. And that's only until the Chelsea and United get their shit sorted. Let's not forget that as shit as Chelsea is these days, they won the CL in 2021 by beating Manchester City in the final. Something Barca didn't do in nearly 10 years.

When you are on the edge of bankruptcy you have to identify your USP and capitalized on that to stay semi competitive. Barca's pull in South America is Barca's trump card. Instead they decided to pay up for 'established' players in Europe, hoping for 3-4 years of success to reload the wallet. Well that has failed massively. We got 1 year out of it. And now we are back broke again, unable to afford anyone.

Barca's pull in South America is worth nothing without finances backing it up. It's not the pull that allowed us to sign Neymar. It's the 100-150m spent between transfer sum and fees paid to various parties. You think Barca would've landed Neymar these days? You're dreaming.

Barca does have prestige in South American market. But the club still has to put in a big offer, comparative to the money Chelsea, City, Arsenal, PSG are willing to put in the mix. If the club can do that they will probably land many South American big prospects. But it can't. EPL teams are ridiculing us on the money market.

It's bye-bye top South American talents landing in Barcelona. As simple as that.

Everyone wants Vitor to play instead of Lewa. I would have preferred Rodrygo instead of Ferran. Alvarez instead of Raphinha. Andre Santos or Varela instead of Romeu. All were breaking their backs to come. Would you have not preferred them?

Instead of having promising, young players with high potential re sale value, their strategy has resulted in bang average players stinking up the joint and refusing to budge. It seems more and more clear to me that they sold their ass for 1 La Liga title.

Re-sale value? Barcelona are not FC Porto. The club doesn't care about re-sale value that much. We're in the business of winning big titles. Without mature players that is impossible.

People make fun on this forum about Lewandowski and Raphinha. These were the players that won us last year's La Liga title on the offensive end. No1 and no2 in the team in terms of direct offensive end product. These are simple facts pertaining to the current squad.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Wrong. Barca aren't in a different situation to just City. But most EPL top teams, Madrid, PSG and other clubs too. The club is 2nd tier. Behind 6-7 clubs. And that's only until the Chelsea and United get their shit sorted. Let's not forget that as shit as Chelsea is these days, they won the CL in 2021 by beating Manchester City in the final. Something Barca didn't do in nearly 10 years.

No, not wrong because I did not claim Barca are top tier in terms of finance. My point was it was irrelevant comparing what City would do with Echiverri compared with what Barca would do with him. Just because a state backed club with unlimited money wouldn't start him, doesn't mean a broke club with no pace up top shouldn't.

Barca's pull in South America is worth nothing without finances backing it up. It's not the pull that allowed us to sign Neymar. It's the 100-150m spent between transfer sum and fees paid to various parties. You think Barca would've landed Neymar these days? You're dreaming.

Barca does have prestige in South American market. But the club still has to put in a big offer, comparative to the money Chelsea, City, Arsenal, PSG are willing to put in the mix. If the club can do that they will probably land many South American big prospects. But it can't. EPL teams are ridiculing us on the money market.

It's bye-bye top South American talents landing in Barcelona. As simple as that.

Where did I say we need to be spending 100m on the next Neymar? I was only saying we should have been spending 20m on the likes of Alvares and 15m on Andre Santos ( both well within our means ) instead of forking out 65m on Ferran and Romeu.

Re-sale value? Barcelona are not FC Porto. The club doesn't care about re-sale value that much. We're in the business of winning big titles. Without mature players that is impossible.

People make fun on this forum about Lewandowski and Raphinha. These were the players that won us last year's La Liga title on the offensive end. No1 and no2 in the team in terms of direct offensive end product. These are simple facts pertaining to the current squad.

Strange comment. Are you honestly advocating that Barca, in fact any business on the planet, should not factor in potential re sale value of assets in the case of failure? That's wild. Even wilder when that institution needs every penny it can get.

 

[serghei]

Romeu? The guy cost peanuts. Leave him out of this topic.

Alvarez is a good signing by City. At the time of his signing he was not at all a sure thing. And the 2nd thing is that Alvarez would not be as good outside City. Obviously.

Barcelona also has top performers that they paid little for. Araujo for example. Pedri another one. These are exceptions. Most of the time, a top team is built with top players signed for top money.

 

[Porque]

Gabriel Moscardo to PSG for 20m + 2m. Not much really on the table. Something you would think we could have done.

Under the table, who knows though.

 

[Don Juan Laporta Estruch]

Our best player is a guy who we got for peanuts from Uruguay. We could have got Moscardo, Alvarez and Andre Santos all for the price of Lewa or Ferran or Raphinha, all on lower wages than them 3. And have the spare change to now compete for Echiverri, Estevao et al.

They don't win anything with kids they say, maybe, but we are not winning anything anyway in the coming seasons unless things change drastically.

You would also have a vibrant team full of young potentially world class players who in the case of failure would be easy to shift at little to no financial loss. Instead we have a team still lacking in energy and intensity where average players wont leave on their high wages.

Instead of a bright future, they chose a la Liga title followed by a big black hole.

 

[BJJ]

Wrong. Barca aren't in a different situation to just City. But most EPL top teams, Madrid, PSG and other clubs too. The club is 2nd tier. Behind 6-7 clubs. And that's only until the Chelsea and United get their shit sorted. Let's not forget that as shit as Chelsea is these days, they won the CL in 2021 by beating Manchester City in the final. Something Barca didn't do in nearly 10 years.



Barca's pull in South America is worth nothing without finances backing it up. It's not the pull that allowed us to sign Neymar. It's the 100-150m spent between transfer sum and fees paid to various parties. You think Barca would've landed Neymar these days? You're dreaming.

Barca does have prestige in South American market. But the club still has to put in a big offer, comparative to the money Chelsea, City, Arsenal, PSG are willing to put in the mix. If the club can do that they will probably land many South American big prospects. But it can't. EPL teams are ridiculing us on the money market.

It's bye-bye top South American talents landing in Barcelona. As simple as that.



Re-sale value? Barcelona are not FC Porto. The club doesn't care about re-sale value that much. We're in the business of winning big titles. Without mature players that is impossible.

People make fun on this forum about Lewandowski and Raphinha. These were the players that won us last year's La Liga title on the offensive end. No1 and no2 in the team in terms of direct offensive end product. These are simple facts pertaining to the current squad.

This may be Sergheis best post.

Pull is one thing but money and recent success are the bigger factors imo.
When we had Neymar we had Messi, a great team and money too. Pretty hard to resist that.
Now we have no money, a recent league title and no real project. Glory days are over. There are so many things at the club that are broken and outdated. The club will only restore its former glory when it fixes those issues.