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Gasgas

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Coutinho would do that deep from midfield, and it's better to have two through-ball specialists than one, though Rakitic is also one. What about Iniesta, I think he has lost it a bit.

Coutinho doesnt play deep in midfield
And what do we need that many throughballers for? Our team isnt filled with runners waiting for throughballs anyways. We need a person who can partner with busi and rakitic to keep the midfield stable and give the ball to the front three and also to offer runs from midfied
Because we actually have a creatve front three not a front three of players who are waiting for throughballs
IMO we need people who can mae runs from midfield rather than 3 million throughballers
 

te amo barca

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Coutinho doesnt play deep in midfield
And what do we need that many throughballers for? Our team isnt filled with runners waiting for throughballs anyways. We need a person who can partner with busi and rakitic to keep the midfield stable and give the ball to the front three and also to offer runs from midfied
Because we actually have a creatve front three not a front three of players who are waiting for throughballs
IMO we need people who can mae runs from midfield rather than 3 million throughballers

You didn't quite understand me. Nevermind, it's not that important.
 

Mido

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Like Gasgas said we need a player that can get the ball to MSN as quickly as possible. A midfield of Ivan - Busi - Pogba (if we can get him) would be fantastic for that purpose.

By that time our opponents would have gotten used to it. The challenge will be to balance our style according to the situation. With Xavi having still maximum 14 months left, Iniesta showing signs of decline ( still there is hope) and the Rafinha / Roberto pair not performing in a satisfying way, a solution could be to have a very polyvalent and flexible midfield.

Iniesta could always be our luxury sub. I cwould be extremely happy to have these players in the midfield for 2016/2017 :

Busquets, Samper, Halilovic, Rakitic, Iniesta + Coutinho/Herrera and Mata/Silva ( if hes remains fit) ; and Javi Martinez could be recruited as a CB, but I doubt that he would be immediatly willing to join Barcelona.
 

zanela

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You can see it the other way too. Courtois despite being great is not superman, and if the defense is not doing as good as what he had at ATM, he can't block everything.

So you're basically saying Courtois is not infallible, or superhuman, and that his very inclusion in a side doesn't somehow guarantee success. He can also be prone to lapses and have poor games just like any of his peers. So we are in agreement, then. :bartomeu:

Bravo was never considered technically adept GK and he is the one playing most games for us

Do you even La liga? Bravo has been amongst the very few LL keepers who has a reputation of being skilled with his feet. Precisely why, Unzué during his prev stint with Barca had followed the Chilean when the latter was with Sociedad. And its on the basis of his prev study and familiarisation, that Bravo was signed under Unzué's behest. Bravo still remains for his former team, the only player who's scored a direct fk in some while. He's essential to CHL's build up play, and starts attacks for them. In a recent such outing against England, Roy hudgson had the following to say about him:
I think it was the best demonstration of footwork and passing I’ve ever seen from a keeper.
Source: Here, and the highlight reel of his performance is available on YT. Obviously, he's not on par with the mercurial young german, but then who is. :messi:


I am with Bertus at this one ,De Gea and Courtois are way ahead of any other young GK right now ,Barca style or not
After that comes players like MATS/Perin/Sportiello etc all of gr8 potential
Again ,MATS was available and he was the best choice IMO. Courtois was a pipedream but let's not pretend that if he was available he wasn't the best choice
He was hyped to be gr8 shot stopper who is mistake prone and he has shown that but the 2 things that worries me about MATS is that he was supposed to be a strong character guy ,a leader who command his defense etc but he hasn't shown that IMO .seems a bit nervous many times .Also he was supposed to be gr8 in crosses and it didn't translate here . those 2 important qualities is needed here and I hope it is just a matter of time as he settles in b4 he shows his full potential

I won't pretend if he was available he wouldn't be the best choice, because honestly, I don't know. I'm no expert, I can only judge through my capacity from what I watch. Courting the belgian could 've ended in disappointment, and if had he come here, there is a possibility he 'd 've improved his technical skills over time, or may be not. I was not contesting Courtois' quality, which is evident to all, but the theory that there is no such thing as a Barca style keeper. Our keepers essentially act as the 3rd CB, and are expected to aid retention under all pressure situations. Just because skilled keepers make it look easy, doesn't mean it's game for everyone.
Also, it's a fact that Courtois has benefited from Simeone's Atlético revolution, one which saw every single one of his defenders rise to prominence. Being part of a winning culture and environment has its merits. Simeone's tutelage, and the stability he was afforded during his AM term, has honed his talent, and confidence, which he can now build on. His development as a result is well ahead of the likes of his peers you've listed (gen '92). Every footballer has his own rate of growth, dependant on circumstances, and individual application. MATS/Perin/Sportiello, by virtue of playing for lesser clubs haven't had similar winning platform or exposure, until now, in the case of tS. Even then he's mismanaged, unless you think the likes of DDG and Courtois, despite having their own initial struggles at ManU and Chelsea, would 've done so much better in their first season if made to work without match rhythm.

Both Pep and Simeone have been complimentary about our keepers. But ofc, some barca fans know better. They are never happy, and continue to find something to moan about.
 
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Bertus

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So you're basically saying Courtois is not infallible, or superhuman, and that his very inclusion in a side doesn't somehow guarantee success. He can also be prone to lapses and have poor games just like any of his peers. So we are in agreement, then. :bartomeu:

Doesn't garantee success of course, but gives you more chance to win, imho, than any other young GKs around atm.
 

DonAK

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Doesn't garantee success of course, but gives you more chance to win, imho, than any other young GKs around atm.

It's a two way street. His shot stopping is on another level, but if his distribution and sweeping turned out average or mediocre then it will even out and not give us a better chance as you suggest, because those two things are very important for a Barca goal keeper, no matter how you turn and spin it around.
 

khaled_a_d

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Do you even La liga? Bravo has been amongst the very few LL keepers who has a reputation of being skilled with his feet. Precisely why, Unzué during his prev stint with Barca had followed the Chilean when the latter was with Sociedad. And its on the basis of his prev study and familiarisation, that Bravo was signed under Unzué's behest. Bravo still remains for his former team, the only player who's scored a direct fk in some while. He's essential to CHL's build up play, and starts attacks for them. In a recent such outing against England, Roy hudgson had the following to say about him:
Source: Here, and the highlight reel of his performance is available on YT. Obviously, he's not on par with the mercurial young german, but then who is. :messi:

I won't pretend if he was available he wouldn't be the best choice, because honestly, I don't know. I'm no expert, I can only judge through my capacity from what I watch. Courting the belgian could 've ended in disappointment, and if had he come here, there is a possibility he 'd 've improved his technical skills over time, or may be not. I was not contesting Courtois' quality, which is evident to all, but the theory that there is no such thing as a Barca style keeper. Our keepers essentially act as the 3rd CB, and are expected to aid retention under all pressure situations. Just because skilled keepers make it look easy, doesn't mean it's game for everyone.
Also, it's a fact that Courtois has benefited from Simeone's Atlético revolution, one which saw every single one of his defenders rise to prominence. Being part of a winning culture and environment has its merits. Simeone's tutelage, and the stability he was afforded during his AM term, has honed his talent, and confidence, which he can now build on. His development as a result is well ahead of the likes of his peers you've listed (gen '92). Every footballer has his own rate of growth, dependant on circumstances, and individual application. MATS/Perin/Sportiello, by virtue of playing for lesser clubs haven't had similar winning platform or exposure, until now, in the case of tS. Even then he's mismanaged, unless you think the likes of DDG and Courtois, despite having their own initial struggles at ManU and Chelsea, would 've done so much better in their first season if made to work without match rhythm.

Both Pep and Simeone have been complimentary about our keepers. But ofc, some barca fans know better. They are never happy, and continue to find something to moan about.

I won't deny that I never really followed Sociedad that much .But I was talking about technically adept by Barca standards .I think you also know there huge chunk of posts in MATS&Bravo threads about how MATS should be starter because he is ahead of Bravo in that department .tbh watching Bravo with us I never liked his technical abilities even though I am more than happy with him here
You are tracking the circumstances around the Young GKs .that is good but let's be honest here .every player is affected by the career path they had and it can goes both way for sure .and to be clear about it not every player put very young in a winning situation will benefit from it .some players need to start at mediocre team to develop their talent without pressure .some are the opposite .there is no clear formula for developing all players
At the end we are winning team .Courtois was playing in a winning team in Liga&CL and he was considered by many the best GK in the world b4 Neuer performance in the WC .he isn't that bad technically either and he is young enough to improve it .
And we aren't moaning about anything ,both me and Bertus already said that MATS was available unlike Courtois .only 1 said we should have signed Courtois couple of pages ago .
But if we are gonna play the "what if" game .I will for sure choose Courtois over MATS if he was available
 

khaled_a_d

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Apart from already rumoured names, adviser Braida will also suggest to sign a young, affordable centre back. Name not yet leaked. [md] via barcastuff
Let the guessing begins :whistle:
 

Mido

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If Bartomeu leaves, will also Braida follow the exit door ?

I personnaly don't want to see Bartomeu nor Laporta as our president for the upcoming season . If I had to choose between the two, I would still favor Laporta but you never know what really happens behind the scenes.
 
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