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LordLichtenstein

LordLichtenstein

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I did the math, if we had had another top striker in our squard, then he could have been given 2405 minutes this season thus far. It is equal to 26 x 90 & 65 min.

This of course doesn't take in to a count, how many more minutes he actually could have gotten. Had we been leading 4, 5 or 6-0 then we could subbed either Iniesta or Rakitic off and moved Messi down have given him minutes.

Another top striker could easily get 30+ x 90 minutes per season with us.
 
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Flavia

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LordLichtenstein said:
I did the math, if we had had another top striker in our squard, then he could have been given 2405 minutes this season thus far. It is equal to 26 x 90 & 65 min.

This of course doesn't take in to a count, how many more minutes he actually could have gotten. Had we been leading 4, 5 or 6-0 then we could subbed either Iniesta or Rakitic off and moved Messi down have given him minutes.

Another top striker could easily get 30+ x 90 minutes per season with us.
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That's a theory that wouldn't work in reality. Messi in midfield, without Rakitic or Iniesta? To accomodate another top striker? This makes no sense at all. What would be the point of that, anyway? Another forward would only make sense to rest one of MSN. No to mention all that would completely change the tactics and way of playing of the team. And I can't think of a top striker that would play only when/if the team got a decent lead. Meaning no important games. There's no need(or money) for another top striker, anyway. Just a good sub.
 
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Flavia said:
That's a theory that wouldn't work in reality. Messi in midfield, without Rakitic or Iniesta? To accomodate another top striker? This makes no sense at all. What would be the point of that, anyway? Another forward would only make sense to rest one of MSN. No to mention all that would completely change the tactics and way of playing of the team. And I can't think of a top striker that would play only when/if the team got a decent lead. Meaning no important games. There's no need(or money) for another top striker, anyway. Just a good sub.
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1. Players want to train and play with the best. Oh, and win trohpies of course.

2. I am not suggesting that Messi should play 90 minutes on our midfield.

3. Rest one of MSN? Messi has missed 27.5%, Neymar 25.5% and Suárez 15.7% of all minutes played this season. I think they have had enough rest. It is not like they need more anyway, their numbers are staggering. It is only a matter of time before they top their numbers from last season. 107 - 122 goals. 51 - 55 assists. Another thing you should take into a count, they won't accept being subbed. Last season should serve as a reminder.

4. Again, I am not suggesting that we change tactics, system or anything else, other than playing messi on our midfield for 25-30 minutes at the end of some games. Let us not forget, he tends to drop back a lot after he has scored 1-2 goals, he then looks for his teammates and tries to help them score, why shouldn't he be able to do that from iniesta's position for 25-30 minutes and let another player take his?

5. When/if? .. please.

This season:

11-08: F.C. Barcelona - Sevilla = 90 minutes (Neymar not playing)

14-08: Athletic Bilbao - F.C. Barcelona = 90 minutes (Neymar not playing)

17-08: F.C. Barcelona - Athletic Bilbao = 90 minutes (Neymar not playing)

23-08: Athletic Bilbao - F.C. Barcelona = 90 minutes (Neymar not playing)

29-08: F.C. Barcelona - Málaga = 3 minutes (Neymar subbed off in the 87th minute)

12-09: Atlético Madrid - F.C. Barcelona = 59 minutes (Messi subbed on in the 59th minute)

20-09: F.C. Barcelona - Levante = 90 minutes (Suárez not playing)

26-09: F.C. Barcelona - Las Palmas = 81 minutes (Messi subbed off in the 9th minute)

29-09: F.C. Barcelona - Bayer Leverkusen = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

03-10: Sevilla -F.C. Barcelona = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

17-10: F.C. Barcelona - Rayo Vallecano = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

20-10: Bate Borisov - F.C. Barcelona = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

25-10: F.C. Barcelona - Eibar = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

28-10: Villanovense - F.C. Barcelona = 90 minutes (Messi, Neymar and Suárez not playing)

31-10: Getafe - F.C. Barcelona = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

04-11: F.C. Barcelona - Bate Borisov = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

08-11: F.C. Barcelona - Villarreal = 90 minutes (Messi not playing)

21-11: Real Madrid - F.C. Barcelona = 57 minutes (Messi subbed on in the 57th minute)

24-11: F.C. Barcelona - Roma = 26 minutes (We are leading 5-0 in the 64th minute, when Enrique decides to sub off Roberto for Adriano on the CM position, no reason Messi couldn't have played there in the remaining 26 minutes)

02-12: F.C. Barcelona - Villanovense = 90 minutes (Messi, Neymar and Suárez not playing)

09-12: Bayer Leverkusen - F.C. Barcelona = 90 minutes (Neymar and Suárez not playing)

12-12: F.C. Barcelona - Deportivo = 90 minutes (Neymar not playing)

17-12: F.C. Barcelona - Guangzhou Evergrande = (Messi and Neymar not playing

20-12: F.C. Barcelona - River Plate = 1 minutes (Neymar subbed off in the 89th minute)

30-12: F.C. Barcelona - Real Betis = 4 minutes (Roberto subbed off in the 86th minute and replaced by Munir)

He could have played 1851 out of 2610 minutes before New Year. 20 x 90 & 51 minutes. Again, not taking into a count the times Messi could have been moved back into a AM position for the remaning minutes, when we had a 3-4 goal lead.
 
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Flavia

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LordLichtenstein said:
3. Rest one of MSN? Messi has missed 27.5%, Neymar 25.5% and Suárez 15.7% of all minutes played this season. I think they have had enough rest. It is not like they need more anyway, their numbers are staggering. It is only a matter of time before they top their numbers from last season. 107 - 122 goals. 51 - 55 assists. Another thing you should take into a count, they won't accept being subbed. Last season should serve as a reminder.
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Precisely why another top forward is not needed, and makes all your argument invalid. If they don't need rest, what's the use for another top forward? And when other positions need reinforcements?

No top player will want to come to have garbage minutes anyway, depending on whether or not great leads are reached. "Reus/dybala/whoever, you'll have minutes when the game vs Levante/getafe/Rayo is 3-0. Deal?". That's why Pedro left, and he's not even a top striker. MSN will only miss games due to injury or suspension. That's not a compelling argument to bring a top player. A solid sub is all that's needed.

And it's pretty different when Messi drops deep, with Iniesta and rakitic on the field with him, to having Messi actually replacing their duties. This would only make the team vulnerable. In order for Messi to do his thing, he needs the midfield alongside him. I can't see any advantage in that.
 
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Flavia said:
Precisely why another top forward is not needed, and makes all your argument invalid. If they don't need rest, what's the use for another top forward? And when other positions need reinforcements?

No top player will want to come to have garbage minutes anyway, depending on whether or not great leads are reached. "Reus/dybala/whoever, you'll have minutes when the game vs Levante/getafe/Rayo is 3-0. Deal?". That's why Pedro left, and he's not even a top striker. MSN will only miss games due to injury or suspension. That's not a compelling argument to bring a top player. A solid sub is all that's needed.

And it's pretty different when Messi drops deep, with Iniesta and rakitic on the field with him, to having Messi actually replacing their duties. This would only make the team vulnerable. In order for Messi to do his thing, he needs the midfield alongside him. I can't see any advantage in that.
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Invalid, are you kidding me? They won't accept being subbed, yes, but "luckily" for that someone, MSN gets injured, suspended and are occasionally rested. Did you even bother to look at the list I made above? FYI, before New Year the 'most minutes played list' would have looked like this; 1. Suárez, 2. Mr. X, 3. Neymar and 4. Messi.

A player like Dembele would fit perfectly. He is young (would just have turned 19 if we bough him this summer). He would benefit from traning and learning from the best players in the world. He would get 35-45% of minutes for the next 2-3 seasons and then we unleash him, when he is 21-22 years old. By that time Messi and Suárez will be 31-32 years old, might be a good time to change things up?.
 
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Flavia

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LordLichtenstein said:
Invalid, are you kidding me? They won't accept being subbed, yes, but "luckily" for that someone, MSN gets injured, suspended and are occasionally rested. Did you even bother to look at the list I made above? FYI, before New Year the 'most minutes played list' would have looked like this; 1. Suárez, 2. Mr. X, 3. Neymar and 4. Messi.

A player like Dembele would fit perfectly. He is young (would just have turned 19 if we bough him this summer). He would benefit from traning and learning from the best players in the world. He would get 35-45% of minutes for the next 2-3 seasons and then we unleash him, when he is 21-22 years old. By that time Messi and Suárez will be 31-32 years old, might be a good time to change things up?.
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No, I'm not kidding. For starters, Dembele is not a top striker, not even close. Top players are the ones already established, and those won't accept an inferior/sub role, which is what you were suggesting. And for that there's Munir already, with 1486 minutes so far.
 
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Flavia said:
No, I'm not kidding. For starters, Dembele is not a top striker, not even close. Top players are the ones already established, and those won't accept an inferior/sub role, which is what you were suggesting. And for that there's Munir already, with 1486 minutes so far.
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That is up for debate. I regard him as a top striker in his own right. There are probably not one player under 19 as good as him right now. He is an unpolished diamond.

Munir had to share minutes with Sandro and a few with Roberto. He could easily have around 2500 now, had Enrique trusted in him.
 
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Flavia said:
No, I'm not kidding. For starters, Dembele is not a top striker, not even close. Top players are the ones already established, and those won't accept an inferior/sub role, which is what you were suggesting. And for that there's Munir already, with 1486 minutes so far.
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Why do we only have to buy established stars? If Dembele becomes big we will have to fork out 100 million plus. Look at Pogba. If we had shown any foresight or proper scouting we would have got him for free. He is worth at least 70 million now. Dembele will be available for a decent price now.
 
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Barcilliant said:
Why do we only have to buy established stars? If Dembele becomes big we will have to fork out 100 million plus. Look at Pogba. If we had shown any foresight or proper scouting we would have got him for free. He is worth at least 70 million now. Dembele will be available for a decent price now.
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Where did I say we have to buy established stars? Did you read the whole argument? Look what I said here. I actually said there's no need for another top forward. A bit annoying to jump like that when you didn't even read what was said. I wasn't talking about prospects.
 
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He´ll be fit in two months, so we shouldn´t worry about wether or not he´s fit. We should worry about permanent damage to his ankle/knee (although the doctors said that there's no damage to his knee and his ankle should heal just fine). Marquinhos has a slight edge over Laporte in my opinion, but would welcome both at the club this summer.
 
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