Barça's Transfers and Rumors

[Jombi]

Jombi, in your opinion why can other clubs afford to sign these young players and prospects without worrying about where to place them or them wanting to leave? Do they just loan them out?

I dont really consider any option where we have to loan out players for many years because they are just mere prospects. We already do this with buying players like Halilovic. Perhaps we should do it more or perhaps not, I dont know.

I am talking about great players who can play for us now who are already top players in their respective leagues. There is a big difference in buying Douglas Costa, Ricardo Pereira, Jorginho, Ruben Neves, Umtiti or Mustafi and buying players who impress at the u-17 world cup.

 

[Jombi]

Sometimes that will be broken for a superstar like Neymar or in a position no young player is emerging like Ter Stegen at GK.

I think this is the crucial part. We are simply not buying players in the early 20s because we just assume that we can count on new Messis, Busis and Xavis to emerge like in the past. Its been 7 years since the last La Masia player made it to a regular starting spot for us (Busi). We need to wake up. Deulofeu, Bojan and Gai Assulin are more common than Messi and Busi.

 

[JamDav1982]

I think this is the crucial part. We are simply not buying players in the early 20s because we just assume that we can count on new Messis, Busis and Xavis to emerge like in the past. Its been 7 years since the last La Masia player made it to a regular starting spot for us (Busi). We need to wake up. Deulofeu, Bojan and Gai Assulin are more common than Messi and Busi.

So you want less emphasis on La Masia players getting chances?

Total opposite for me I want there to be space for those players to get a chance. Even if it has been 20 years since the last starter came through. It is part of what Barca is all about.

It is harder now to break into first team and the last generation was a complete one off for any club in history.

 

[BarçaBarça]

What teams have better CB depth after their starting players than Mathieu, Bartra and Vermaelen?

What team has better back up GK than Ter Stegen?

Even midfield who has better than Roberto, Arda and Rafinha?

Bayern maybe do but not by much if at all.

The bench is strong at Barca and those players have played a big part this season and last.

Our goalkeeper-situation is special, and I will give you this: No team in the world has a better GK-backup than us right now. But we could face problems at other positions if we get serious injuries.

Bayern for sure has better squad-depth: Martinez/Benetia/Badstuber are better than Mathieu, Bartra, Vermaelen.

But reality doesn't work 'in numbers'. 3 CB-backups sounds alright, but Bartra doesn't have the quality for top-level football, so we couldn't count on him if it mattered IMO.
Vermaelen is so much injured that he is either absent or recovering (not fully fit to step in). Mathieu is a solid CB-sub, I trust him there, but for how many seasons? Mascherano, our undisputed starter, doesn't want to retire here, and wants to return to Argentina while he still has something to offer. Therefore it would make sense to have 1-2 young CB's fighting to be our new starter for the coming years, which would provide us with more depth than Vermaelen/Bartra currently offers.

And another example that numbers doesn't matter is Roberto - that is 1 man on paper, but so versatile he could count for at least 2 backups.

I don't want to sign 3-4 WC-players to sit on the bench - it would destroy the hierarchy and chemistry in the team (one of RM's struggles), we can't afford it and would get in the way of some of our young players. Some positions just need better backup than now: Leftback, CB, no. 9.

 

[khaled_a_d]

We have been the best club in the world in the last 15 years or so because we have had the luck to have Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets etc. with us. We are still one of the best clubs today because of Messi for the most part.

France is producing a lot of young talent these days, why not looking at Ligue 1 or French talent? Bayern hit the jackpot with Coman, and the latest rumor indicates that they are looking to buy two more top talent from Ligue 1, one of whom was mentioned in Jombi's post. I don't see why we can't or shouldn't buy these players, kids with a lot of potential and put them in La Masia for a few years and see how they will turn out. If Bayern is willing to buy them, that tells me something: They are not that expensive.

I don't know if we have good scouting. Braida, what has he done by the way? He is on our payroll touring around Europe (Italy for the most part) and we have yet to see what value he has added to the club.

By the way, what happens to the rumor on Barcastaff several months ago (?) about us wanting to sign the top South American and European talent in the age group of 18, 19 etc.? Is that still the plan?

I really hate to see our biggest rivals such as Real Madrid and Bayern (and pretty soon City) sucking in all the great prospects while we are left counting our coins and thinking "we are good enough".

For starter Coman brought from Juve after he find himself with little chance to succeed in Juve .he pushed the move
We don't know the current plan.we have new sporting director and we had a transfer ban that really affected the club so next season is basically his 1st work.we have done good job with B team though in January
And we always pushed for players who are young and cheap .but players who still unknown who will go to Barca B 1st .players between the age of 16-19 .same age we brought guys like Busquets/Puyol/D.Suarez/Halilovic/Motta .among dozens of other players who had different kind of careers . we don't go for players who already shown their talents on big stage like France for many reasons .

One of them are prices ,others are keeping La Masia(reason of success) competitive and the main route for young players to the 1st team .signing many young players will send the wrong messages to the young prospects we have
We had bad stretch with La Masia .but even during that bad stretch players like Icardi,Sanabria,Bellerin,Thiago were all La Masia products whom we lost .La Masia ain't that bad but we need to keep working on it more and working on keeping our own cracks more . We need to show that Brca B is the way to go not buying many prospects and loaning them .
We still own one of the best if not best academy in the world .we just have been able to use it less .that wasn't on Lucho .

About being gr8 because of Messi and co .Messi is the greatest no doubts .but 8 of our starters in the treble winning season was bought .3 were promoted from La Masia(Messi,Iniesta,Busquets ) .So it isn't just gr8 players that came from La Masia that made such gr8 team .Neymar,Suarez,Rakitic,Alba,Alves all played huge roles

You basically defended every single decision the board did, coming up with all sorts of excuses. Thats not to criticize the management. .

I am glad I am having a stalker .but you aren't really doing good job at it

This isnt about the French league. I already mentioned Jorginho, Jorge and Mammana as top players from various leagues. How about Ruben Neves? Top player. Its about buying players 25 years or younger who are some of the best players in their league. We almost never do it. And that of course applies to La Liga as well. Alba is the only one in almost 8 years. So its the same as with the French league. Zero players from France. One player from La Liga.

Neymar,Alba,MATS,Sanchez.Cesc,Song,Chygrynskiy were all young 25 or younger players .all of them were starters in very good teams (Santos,Valencia ,Udinese who qualified for CL,Arsenal,Europa League winners Shakhtar) and were all good ) we got mixed results from those
Ruben Neves?did you want us to but him last summer for who? or you think we should pay 40M on him next summer?
We aren't gonna pay those money unless we think this player is really worth it .there is nothing wrong in that .we need to keep putting trust in La Masia .they are our main source of young players .we actually had lost plenty of gr8 prospects in the last few years and this need to end .not to make it worse by keeping wasting money on zillions of young players
Again ,my main problem with you is "the names" you think you know better .you don't rate the club decision by the results but by doing what you want .you want them to go for prospects you like .prospects the club scouts probably now way better than you btw .
I know a friend whose co-worker is an Arsenal scout and he tells him about the work of the scouts of those big clubs .it is no joke of a job .every big club have them and probably every player you have heard his name there is a scouting report in the club about him .not just Barca but most big clubs in Europe .

You are making excuses claiming we can no longer afford to buy from leagues like France. You are suddenly claiming that all players in France will go for 80m+ if they have impressed in 2 or 3 games. Thats not how things work. Mahrez, Kante and Payet barely cost anything from French clubs and have set the PL on fire this season. Do I say we should have bought all of them? No, but to just portray all transfers around the world under 25 as hopelessly expensive is false. Bayern bought Coman for a bag of chips and Douglas Costa was 50% cheaper than Arda. Wake up.

We can get Umtiti for 20-25m from Lyon. What did we pay for Abidal from Lyon? Of course Abidal was important for the Pep era. Do you honestly think Umtiti will go for 100m like overpriced Stones? John Stones and Per Mertesacker are typical Barca targets. We need to think smart again.

Again ,the names .why not going for Umtiti ?May be because you are wrong and he isn't good enough? You are judging the clubs by not signing some of the gr8 prospects you love .I judge them by the results and by the whole work .so far I can see a little to complain .yes I want some improvements and I want some youth .I don't like every decision (didn't like Arda) but overall gr8 job has been done to keep this team intact and gr8

I am talking about great players who can play for us now who are already top players in their respective leagues. There is a big difference in buying Douglas Costa, Ricardo Pereira, Jorginho, Ruben Neves, Umtiti or Mustafi and buying players who impress at the u-17 world cup.

And dissolve La Masia? Most of those would cost a fortune .yes sometimes bargains are available .but when it comes to youth we only need to go for the "exceptional talents " not the good .not the very good .those belongs to La Masia
I am talking about Neymar/Verratti type of talent .those are the ones worth breaking the bank for when they are available .otherwise keep focusing on La Masia and improving the 1st team to win now .

 

[Jombi]

We have to dissolve La Masia if we buy Ricardo Pereira from Nice instead of some garbage from Arsenal? We have funded their stadium with the stuff we buy from them.

On the one hand you claim we are doing what other top teams do, and then you do a 180 and claim we operate totally differently and focus on our youth system, so thats why we hardly buy players in the first half of their 20s, and instead we focus on players looking for their last big contract in their career with no sell-on value.

To count on every single La Masia player staying is outrageous. That has never happened before and will never happen in the future. Many leave because they are simply not that good at 15 years old and develop greatly later on.

I think this new excuse of not buying because we have La Masia could really be our downfall if we continue down this path. No, Verratti will not "be available". That train passed when PSG and not us decided to sign him. Of course, he was "too unproven", "too expensive", the favorite excuses for defending what we are doing now. Its simply embarrassing to see us chasing Marquinhos for a whole summer right after PSG bought him. I dont think our "scouts" are so good.

Forget trying to buy PSG and Chelsea players. We have to buy players in their first half of their 20s before they move to rich clubs. Not simply 15 year old kids from the Spanish 5th division for La Masia.

People treat players like Halilovic just like Gio Dos Santos was and Deulofeu was portrayed. Our future superstar bound to succeed. If we continue to let all our competitors buy up the greatest players under 25 from various leagues, we will eventually be at a severe disadvantage.

 

[Messi983]

This is the starting XI only. What happens when some of these players get injured? Do we pray everyday that our starting XI never get injured and hope for the best?

What about building depth? Our direct competitors Real Madrid and Bayern all have a quality bench and we need to have the same, if not better.

We have 3 or 4 years to get some depth pieces in place. I said we'll bring in more players in that time. Not all of them have to be right away starting quality (see example of Roberto and how he developed this season) or big name players. Of course some of them will be. But a player like Rakitic (he'll be 31 at that time) and maybe even Iniesta (as a club legend and captain we won't force him out of the club and I don't see him leaving on his own or retiring before 35 so he'll likely still be here and could have similar role to Xavi last season) could still be squad players and we also have some younger players I also mentioned in my previous post who could be used in rotation.

If we buy 2-3 good players every year (that's also financially sustainable if we don't go for Pogba's and Verratti's of this world which I don't think we should) and also promote a player from Barca B (or return someone from loan; I think over the next 2 years we should loan out Samper, Munir, again Halilovic and then later probably also players like Kaptoum, Lee and maybe Tarin - he could be kept to be a 4th CB though; we also have options to bring back Adama and Deulofeu if we want but I don't see this happening until Lucho is here) every year that could be around 8-10 new players in 3 years. This is a smart and progressive way of rebuilding the squad while remaining competitive. Together with my projected XI (which of course could and probably will be different when 2019 will come) I think we would still have a great squad. We don't need to have 80M player like James coming from the bench. That's RM/Perez's way of thinking and we've seen how well that worked for them.

 

[LordLichtenstein]

F.C. Barcelona will have a transfer budget of €60 million + whatever from players sold this summer.

There are a lot of rumours, that Fiorentina are going to pay €8 million for Tello, that Barca plan to let Bartra go if they receive a bid of €15+ million and that they expect to sell Vermaelen for at least €10 million.

If all goes as planned, that would bring our transfer budget to a total of €93 million.


It is almost certain, that we will buy Denis Suárez back for €6 million, which then leaves us with €87 million.

 

[raskolnikov]

I dont get why we are so poor (relatively speaking), how come Real has way more money than us? If we cant spend and invest after a decade of dominating the world we might drop near Valencia levels post Messi era.

 

[BBZ8800]

F.C. Barcelona will have a transfer budget of €60 million + whatever from players sold this summer.

There are a lot of rumours, that Fiorentina are going to pay €8 million for Tello, that Barca plan to let Bartra go if they receive a bid of €15+ million and that they expect to sell Vermaelen for at least €10 million.

If all goes as planned, that would bring our transfer budget to a total of €93 million.


It is almost certain, that we will buy Denis Suárez back for €6 million, which then leaves us with €87 million.

Imo, that's:
60 Millions
8 M for Tello
10 M max for Bartra
No one will give 10M for Verm, he will stay here till the end of his contract.
-6 for Suarez

So, 72M available if we will be able to sell Tello and Bartra.

 

[khaled_a_d]

F.C. Barcelona will have a transfer budget of €60 million + whatever from players sold this summer.

There are a lot of rumours, that Fiorentina are going to pay €8 million for Tello, that Barca plan to let Bartra go if they receive a bid of €15+ million and that they expect to sell Vermaelen for at least €10 million.

If all goes as planned, that would bring our transfer budget to a total of €93 million.


It is almost certain, that we will buy Denis Suárez back for €6 million, which then leaves us with €87 million.

1-We won't get those numbers .Bartra has 12M release clause .we may negotiate it up to make them avoid taxes but won't reach 15M.Vermaelen won't get us 10M either.D.Suarez has 3M buyback IIRC
2-We always say we have certain budget + the selling .but it usually it doesn't happen .don't get your hopes high . we will probably end up using those 60M and the selling will be used to compensate for players pay rise

 

[Flavia]

Denis buyback is 3m.

 

[serghei]

We don't really need more than 60-70m. tops. I mean, we need a CB and a back-up LB. That's pretty much it.

Midfield - stacked.
Attack - MSN + young players (Rafinha, Denis maybe, Munir) + Arda
Defence - what we have + 1CB (transfer).
GK - Bravo + Stegen
Fullbacks - Alves, Vidal, Sergi Roberto, Alba + LB.

That's it.

It looks great tbh.

 

[LordLichtenstein]

Oh right, I forgot. Next year it will rise to 6m right? Should he stay at Villarreal of course.

 

[LordLichtenstein]

We don't really need more than 60-70m. tops. I mean, we need a CB and a back-up LB. That's pretty much it.

Midfield - stacked.
Attack - MSN + young players (Rafinha, Denis maybe, Munir) + Arda
Defence - what we have + 1CB (transfer).
GK - Bravo + Stegen
Fullbacks - Alves, Vidal, Sergi Roberto, Alba + LB.

That's it.

It looks great tbh.

But but, Douglas and Adriano ? :,(