Trafalgar
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They're on the same level as Sokratis and cheaper lol
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They're on the same level as Sokratis and cheaper lol
Mexes plays for Milan. Just like Carlos Bacca who I am sure we will chase as well. Both are "world class" and old.
Again ,I love how you are trying to stalk me and then personalize the arguments ,but you are embarrassing yourself here ,I had tons of arguments that I've said the opposite of everything you are saying.
I had tons of arguments with BBZ about the need of a younger players , you can check this thread in July and you would find I was against Arda deal .I have been a pro Laporta and wanted him to win last election
Just because I am not a guy who enjoy being a whiner or trying to play football manager and blaming the board for not bringing the players I just like doesn't mean I am defending them on every decision ,I can defend the board on one post and criticize them in the next . I have no agenda for/against anyone in the club
You can just look as soon as last page and you will find how I don't want Gamiero because of his age . not wanting to sign a player because of age/fit doesn't mean I've to ignore how good he is.you simply took one part of my posts out of context and just building an argument about how I defend the board
Its good that you are finally changing your mind. The idea that we should continue the down the path of Milan because we have La Masia and our youth will be mad, is a recipe for disaster. I think most sane observers see this as well.
Topolino
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6 Ballons for Messi
but what if he wins 7??
Obviously we watched a different match, hummels got humiliated while sokratis didn't lose a single fight.
Dortmund fans all agree he's a better defender than hummels.
Dont forget Mexes, Bacca and Mertesacker.
Messi983
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So much overreaction that we should overname this thread to Barça fans overreactions thread.
I've probably said this already at least 10 times during my short time here but I'll say it again. Even IF we buy Gameiro, that doesn't mean we won't rejuvenate our team in general or that we'll buy only "oldies". We'll get a younger CB, LB and also Denis Suarez back. We'll also get a healthy Rafinha and Vidal, who'll be fully integrated into team and ready for a bigger role. Yes, I know he's not someone who most of you here consider young, but he's also not old at 26, especially if he (or Bob) end to replace Alves in starting lineup.
Signing Gameiro would mean giving time to Munir to develop in a smaller club where he'll get enough playing time and also giving us an option that Lucho would trust enough to bring him in a game like against Valencia and of course to give enough rest to Suarez during the season. I think they could also play together upfront if we go to somewhat 4-4-2 diamond with Messi/Ney at AMC in some games.
We have a great young GK and we won't sell him. We'll have younger CB to pair long-term with Pique (Masche will likely still be a starter next season with the way he's performing, but new CB should be compatible with both him and Pique and able to give rest to both of them), we'll get younger at RB and also LB (Alba is not really old, but he needs a competition). We'll have 3 good young options in midfield (and some more waiting in Barça B or possibly out on loan like Samper) and we have a young Neymar in attack.
For the sake of argument, let's say that our starting lineup would still be similar (with possibly Bob/Vidal starting over Alves and maybe MAtS in goal) next season but with much better options of the bench.
I'd be totally happy with bench like: Bravo/MAtS, Alves*/Vidal/Bob, new CB and/or new LB, Denis/Rafinha/ Arda (probably two of them), Gameiro
Just compare that to MAts, Bartra, Vermaelen, Adriano, Douglas, Munir we had on the bench on Sunday.
*I wouldn't sell Alves if we won't get a really good offer we can't refuse but I'd make him earn his place in starting lineup.
But anyway, I'd give a lot more minutes to Vidal to see what he got before we are thinking about buying new RB and also to Bob. Him I'd also use as a backup to Busi for next season before bringing back Samper after a year out on loan and then I'd make Bob a full time RB (whether as a starter or backup to Vidal, that should show up next season). We could maybe also keep Samper but I just don't think there will be enough minutes for him. But just in case I'd include a clause in his loan contract that we could call him back in winter transfer window if he performs/develops really well at his club and if we feel we could use him in second half of the season, especially in January and February, when most of the CDR matches are played or if we have injury problems (God forbid anything serious happen to Busquets.)
This summer I'd only cover our biggest needs and then wait for next summer (when both Madrid clubs and maybe some other clubs as well will have transfer ban and when 3 of top 4 richest EPL clubs won't have a new manager willing to spend like crazy) to get a long-term replacement for Iniesta/Rakitic and maybe another "luxury" signing in attack or defense. And please don't tell me there won't be good options on the market next summer, because there always are. Maybe we won't buy a player you're currently in love with but new "stars" are born every season and you'll all have new favourites this time next season.
I've probably said this already at least 10 times during my short time here but I'll say it again. Even IF we buy Gameiro, that doesn't mean we won't rejuvenate our team in general or that we'll buy only "oldies". We'll get a younger CB, LB and also Denis Suarez back. We'll also get a healthy Rafinha and Vidal, who'll be fully integrated into team and ready for a bigger role. Yes, I know he's not someone who most of you here consider young, but he's also not old at 26, especially if he (or Bob) end to replace Alves in starting lineup.
Signing Gameiro would mean giving time to Munir to develop in a smaller club where he'll get enough playing time and also giving us an option that Lucho would trust enough to bring him in a game like against Valencia and of course to give enough rest to Suarez during the season. I think they could also play together upfront if we go to somewhat 4-4-2 diamond with Messi/Ney at AMC in some games.
We have a great young GK and we won't sell him. We'll have younger CB to pair long-term with Pique (Masche will likely still be a starter next season with the way he's performing, but new CB should be compatible with both him and Pique and able to give rest to both of them), we'll get younger at RB and also LB (Alba is not really old, but he needs a competition). We'll have 3 good young options in midfield (and some more waiting in Barça B or possibly out on loan like Samper) and we have a young Neymar in attack.
For the sake of argument, let's say that our starting lineup would still be similar (with possibly Bob/Vidal starting over Alves and maybe MAtS in goal) next season but with much better options of the bench.
I'd be totally happy with bench like: Bravo/MAtS, Alves*/Vidal/Bob, new CB and/or new LB, Denis/Rafinha/ Arda (probably two of them), Gameiro
Just compare that to MAts, Bartra, Vermaelen, Adriano, Douglas, Munir we had on the bench on Sunday.
*I wouldn't sell Alves if we won't get a really good offer we can't refuse but I'd make him earn his place in starting lineup.
But anyway, I'd give a lot more minutes to Vidal to see what he got before we are thinking about buying new RB and also to Bob. Him I'd also use as a backup to Busi for next season before bringing back Samper after a year out on loan and then I'd make Bob a full time RB (whether as a starter or backup to Vidal, that should show up next season). We could maybe also keep Samper but I just don't think there will be enough minutes for him. But just in case I'd include a clause in his loan contract that we could call him back in winter transfer window if he performs/develops really well at his club and if we feel we could use him in second half of the season, especially in January and February, when most of the CDR matches are played or if we have injury problems (God forbid anything serious happen to Busquets.)
This summer I'd only cover our biggest needs and then wait for next summer (when both Madrid clubs and maybe some other clubs as well will have transfer ban and when 3 of top 4 richest EPL clubs won't have a new manager willing to spend like crazy) to get a long-term replacement for Iniesta/Rakitic and maybe another "luxury" signing in attack or defense. And please don't tell me there won't be good options on the market next summer, because there always are. Maybe we won't buy a player you're currently in love with but new "stars" are born every season and you'll all have new favourites this time next season.
6 Ballons for Messi
but what if he wins 7??
Sokratis, turan and marquinhos are not world class? Damn can you send me some of what you are smoking.
If Sokratis and Marquinhos are world class so are players like Mathieu, Bonucci, Naldo and Toprak. It completely loses its meaning.
Messi983
Senior Member
I think World class is an overrated and overused word here with no clear definition. For someone it means top 3-5 player at his position, for another one top 10-15. And we also rate players different based on our preferences.
I think we have enough WC players at almost all positions IF/WHEN they are playing as they can. If they are not, buying another 3 or 5 WC players wouldn't help us a lot either. So we don't need to buy only WC players to be successfull.
I think we have enough WC players at almost all positions IF/WHEN they are playing as they can. If they are not, buying another 3 or 5 WC players wouldn't help us a lot either. So we don't need to buy only WC players to be successfull.
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