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Joe598

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We need to sign a young CB, a new midfielder and a backup to MSN. For the CB I would propose Samuel Umtiti, a player who says he wants to play in Spain and suits our style of playing out from the back. He is a cheaper alternative to Marquinios or Laporte. He can also play at Lb, as can Mathieu so I'm not sure that we need to sign another backup lb. Denis will return for peanuts as the new midfielder. Up front I would try to sign Nolito. Another cheap option, who is a decent backup to MSN and will be happy to return to us. Alternatively Ben Arfa is a decent option although, I fear he would crumble under the pressure and struggle in the teams dynamic. However, he could become world class, he's a real hit or miss player.
 

BBZ8800

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Real Madrid have been the biggest spenders in Europe for a decade which gets them by along with wildcards every year to CL semis and finals with unbelievable draws. They've won 1 La Liga title since Perez came back.

The worry for Barca is they'll struggle like Madrid have but without the budget to spend on top players because Real Madrid and half-a-dozen Premier League clubs will have more spending power the way it's going when we'll need to replace the current team. Real also know how to sell players to generate funds.

It isn't really fair to look at it that way, imo. (a part about Perez)
Perez, well, he isn't a good president, but he had to fight against a club with Messi.
If Messi, the Goat was Madrid's product, imagine how the last 10 years would look like for us (Barca), in terms of La liga and CL trophies.

About this debate in general, whether we could end as Ac Milan, I don't think that something like this is possible.
We are a huge brand, we will always have money.

But...
Again, in the last 10 years, we have built our team and a success on Messi, who was worth 250-300 Millions of Euros.
And we were lucky with our products like Xavi (100 Millions), Iniesta (100 Millions), Busi (75 Millions), Puyol (60+ Millions) if we would transform their worth to the current prices.

Once when Messi will be gone, the same as Busi-Xavi-Iniesta combo, if we assume that we will never "pull" Messi again from La Masia, but also, if La Masia will keep on producing only Rafinhas, Robertos and Munirs in the next 10-20 years, then we will suffer huge problems in 3-4 years and after that.

If we add Espai project into these maths, and a few overpriced transfers like Arda and Vidal lately, then we could experience huge problems in the future, especially if we are expecting to stay on the current level (the best team in Europe, or top 2-3 teams in Europe).

It just seems that Real is earning more than we do, both from sponsors and through some political help from Spain.
Bayern also seems to be earning more than us.
And with filthy rich teams like Psg, City and other English teams (and since we won't have the one and only Messi in the future), I am personally also starting to be concerned about our long term future.

Money is not everything, someone will reply.
But without top transfers like Neymar, Suarez, Ronaldinho, Etoo, we also wouldn't won majority of our titles (especially CL titles).

Barca real Madrid Manchester have zero chance of becoming ac milan - Liverpool .. they are a huge international brand. Real Madrid kept screwing themselves every single year for a decade lmao .. yet as you see they are still huge . dont worry about that.

They earn more from sponsors, plus the government helps them.
Around 2000's when Galacticos bought Zidane, Figo, R9, Beckham, they had around 500 Millions of debts.
Barca also had huge debts.

We had to pay our debts.
But with Real, Spanish government just bought some training ground from Real Madrid, and it's real worth was something like, let's say 50-ish Millions, but the government overpaid it and paid like 200-300 Millions (I don't remember the real numbers). I remember that Van Gaal and our board were commenting on it, how ridiculous it is.

Edit: I have found that story:
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a050801RealSellTraining

"The European Union announces it has begun a preliminary investigation into the sale of Real Madrid’s training ground to the city council in 2001 (see (May 8, 2001)). The sale netted €480m, which wiped out the football club’s €290m debt and enabled it to buy players such as Zinedine Zidane, Ronaldo, Luis Figo, and David Beckham. “We believe Madrid’s regional authorities may have overpaid,” says Tilman Luder, the EU’s competition spokesman. He also warns that the club may have to pay back some money if the price exceeded the market value. “We have sent a questionnaire to the Spanish government: to find out why they bought this land, at what price, and if they can prove it was at the market price. We suspect that the purchase price was influenced by the fact that this property had been reclassified, which increased its value,” says Luder. If Spain’s response to the questionnaire is not satisfactory, the EU may launch a formal investigation. "

So, don't worry about Real.
If they are making mistakes, they have "higher instances" who will help them, plus again, it seems that they are just making more money than us from marketing, since always.

If we will get into financial troubles, we don't have a Spanish government to bail us, we are earning less than them from sponsors.
Plus, we won't have La Masia, Messi, Xavi-Iniesta-Busi anymore.

So, some fears are quite legit about our future in 5-10 years, in financial terms (and that will reflect on our sporting results).
 
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Ritchie

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The point is in this era we've remained successful because of a La Masia golden generation - a generation that's included arguably the worlds greatest ever footballer.

Once that generation all need replacing then to stay successful we'll either need another La Masia golden generation (unrealistic) or be really effective in the transfer market (something we've always struggled with). The added issue to that is Barca no longer have the financial advantage over pretty much every other team as the Premier League clubs are super rich and even China and the cost of the top players is going to soar and soar. If another Iniesta or Xavi emerged somewhere else we'd be priced out or outbid.
 

gasgas

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solution is simple.
Buy young worldclass players
Pogba, jimenez, verratti, r.rodriguez etc.
Before they are snatched by other big clubs.
And dont keep buying 38 year olds that nobody else wants
 

Ritchie

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solution is simple.
Buy young worldclass players
Pogba, jimenez, verratti, r.rodriguez etc.
Before they are snatched by other big clubs.
And dont keep buying 38 year olds that nobody else wants

The club need to realise this though before it's too late and stop missing out on all the emerging talent.
 

khaled_a_d

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About this debate in general, whether we could end as Ac Milan, I don't think that something like this is possible.
We are a huge brand, we will always have money.

Barca real Madrid Manchester have zero chance of becoming ac milan - Liverpool .. they are a huge international brand. Real Madrid kept screwing themselves every single year for a decade lmao .. yet as you see they are still huge . dont worry about that.


Milan was even bigger brand than Barca less than a decade ago . And even now they are still one of the top 10 earner in the world IIRC .

I don't like the whole "we are the new Milan" thing because it has turned from a concern into a chance for people to whine .we might end with domestic double after a treble season so some people need to feed their need to whine about something .
That said there is no never in football.It is more than possible we can turn out really bad.

It just seems that Real is earning more than we do, both from sponsors and through some political help from Spain.
Bayern also seems to be earning more than us.
And with filthy rich teams like Psg, City and other English teams (and since we won't have the one and only Messi in the future), I am personally also starting to be concerned about our long term future.
.

The only club that have made more money than us last year was Real Madrid .at worst we have been top 4 earners for years now .


But...
Again, in the last 10 years, we have built our team and a success on Messi, who was worth 250-300 Millions of Euros.
And we were lucky with our products like Xavi (100 Millions), Iniesta (100 Millions), Busi (75 Millions), Puyol (60+ Millions) if we would transform their worth to the current prices.

We replaced Puyol(The greatest defender we ever had) by Mascherano ,a DM
We won trophies b4 Messi ,we can win it after him .yes he is the GOAT .but football doesn't operate by replacing the greatest player by the next greatest players .adjustments always needed
Right now Spain is full of talents more than it once was so that is a positive thing . Some La Masia failed but the truth is many are making impact elsewhere .Sanabria look more than solid ,Icardi was the top goal scorer in top 4 league last year .Thiago has played a lot in team like Bayern after 2 years of injuries while Bellerin was in PL team of the year and so on .
La Masia didn't suddenly became a failure , but it is our inability to use it that hurt us in addition to the fact that prospects see how difficult it became to break into such competitive 1st team
We obviously need signings ,but for now we are in gr8 financial situation
Sure we can't pay ton of money due to huge wage bell .but people keep forgetting that wage bell is part of the spending

The point is in this era we've remained successful because of a La Masia golden generation - a generation that's included arguably the worlds greatest ever footballer.

Once that generation all need replacing then to stay successful we'll either need another La Masia golden generation (unrealistic) or be really effective in the transfer market (something we've always struggled with). The added issue to that is Barca no longer have the financial advantage over pretty much every other team as the Premier League clubs are super rich and even China and the cost of the top players is going to soar and soar. If another Iniesta or Xavi emerged somewhere else we'd be priced out or outbid.

Again ,we are the 2nd richest club in the world and this unlikely to drastically change soon . while there is a huge TV deal for PL clubs there is also a new one for Liga and Barca & RM would still keep an unfair percentage of it .never mind that tv deals aren't the main financial resource .there is dozen of other factors that Barca has been able to use and get money wisely .
We aren't paying a lot every year in the market because of wage bell ,if we needed renewal of the squad that means many departures, many removals of wage bells and more money for transfers .we would be able to compete easily with many clubs .so far our brand is still bigger than any PL club not named Manu .that will make many players want to join here


solution is simple.
Buy young worldclass players
Pogba, jimenez, verratti, r.rodriguez etc.
Before they are snatched by other big clubs.
And dont keep buying 38 year olds that nobody else wants

We have brought a new sporting director for that who was working for Atletico Madrid ,the club that everyone can agree of the gr8 work they have done in the market
Hundreds of reports about the club going for younger players as a primary target .but people will ignore everyone of them and will complain about Gameiro & benarafa rumors
Last year we have signed one of Spain brightest talent in Mujica wen he wasn't even 17 yet a brilliant striker who has caught the eyes of Lucho already and will be B team youngest player next year
We are on our way to bring Kuki Zalazar who is again one of Spain most coveted prospects .also been linked to other prospects like Andrei Ivan,Jeremy Guillemenot & Abdullahi Nura among others during the season
 

Joe598

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Here's what I think we should do this summer
Out:
Douglas
Adriano
Vermaelen
Sandro
Batra
Maybe also Arda if the price is right, Dani, Halilovic and Aleix

New signings
Denis
Umtiti
Nolito
If Arda leaves replace with Saul, Dani Alves for Fabinho of Monaco or even Bellerin
 
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Jamie Cal

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Looks like there's no chance we'll get Laporte now? No talk about him anymore other than City.
 

DonAK

President of FC Barcelona
Looks like there's no chance we'll get Laporte now? No talk about him anymore other than City.

No talk about anyone other than Marquinhos and I think we all know what'll happen with that story.

I hope [MENTION=11668]khaled_a_d[/MENTION] is right about the press not knowing what Robert and Lucho are planning.
 

BarçaBarça

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Mascherano has been a beast. What would we do with high profile player like Laporte?

He would have to accept at least 1 season without starting in the biggest matches, unless Pique/Mascherano is injured/suspended, that is for sure.
I'm sure most young CB's would give that a chance. From clubs perspective, you need more than 2 starter-level CB's in the squad. Mathieu has proved to be, but we can't gamble on him with the new injury.
 

gasgas

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He would have to accept at least 1 season without starting in the biggest matches, unless Pique/Mascherano is injured/suspended, that is for sure.
I'm sure most young CB's would give that a chance. From clubs perspective, you need more than 2 starter-level CB's in the squad. Mathieu has proved to be, but we can't gamble on him with the new injury.

You mean to say there can never happen a time when he outperforms either pique or masche?
Or that even when that happens, he will still not get a starting berth?
 
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Jamie Cal

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No talk about anyone other than Marquinhos and I think we all know what'll happen with that story.

I hope [MENTION=11668]khaled_a_d[/MENTION] is right about the press not knowing what Robert and Lucho are planning.

I'm not sure I want that. :lol: There's not a lot of great options for us long term at center back. Umtiti/Tah/Bailly could all be good but all would be a bit of a shot in the dark. Good thing is Masch still looks in good condition, but I think we've got to be sure of the guy we're getting at CB this summer if that's where we're allocating most of our cash.

There's doubts about Laporte but between the lack of left-footed center backs that are good enough for us and that he's Puyol's agent, I still think he's the guy to get.
 

BarçaBarça

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You mean to say there can never happen a time when he outperforms either pique or masche?
Or that even when that happens, he will still not get a starting berth?

He could be, but I very much doubt it. I seriously can't imagine him outperforming a fit Pique-Masch-pair in his first season here. I don't know what Lucho would do, if he did.
If we get him I am sure he would get a lot of games due to rotation, and then his second season he might seriously compete for a starting-spot (we could hope so).

A few seasons ago Pique really needed competition to avoid complacency, but he has matured, and is vital whenever fit, IMO. Masch this season speaks for itself, and I don't see him dropping much next season. We need a CB where we don't drop in quality when we rotate, and who could be a solid gamble for a future starter, and Laporte surely satisfy both these needs.
 

Ritchie

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He would have to accept at least 1 season without starting in the biggest matches, unless Pique/Mascherano is injured/suspended, that is for sure.
I'm sure most young CB's would give that a chance. From clubs perspective, you need more than 2 starter-level CB's in the squad. Mathieu has proved to be, but we can't gamble on him with the new injury.

Masch and Mathieu only have a year or two left at Barca realistically. There has to be a succession plan in place. The plan is there but Barca have to pull off a big signing for a Laporte or Marquinhos. Someone who can be a starting centre back for the next 5-10 years beyond the next year or two.

The problem is if Laporte goes to City and PSG dick us around all summer, what's the plan then?
 
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