Barça's Transfers and Rumors

[Barcaman]

To be fair, Robert has been our sporting director for less than a year so there is hope things will change for the better.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Wait and see. We are in uncharted territory. Its completely unlikely that Pogba will go for 80m or 100m when players who havent shown anything compared to Pogba go for fantasy prices from much smaller clubs. The people who laugh at Pogba for 200m are the same people who are shocked at Martial's and Renato Sanches' prices.

The market doesn't work that way mate . you are making the wrong comparisons here .
the golden role about the market is supply & Demand .Juve can ask for 1 Billion if they want .no one will pay for that .

To make it simple ,almost all big clubs in Europe (and even some non big club in England) can pay 40M (and even more on bonus) for single player .
There are few who actually deserved that sum .so the selling clubs can take advantage of that and make clubs pay 40-50M for a player who could potentially be worth that money .i.e Martial and Renato
Now ,for players worth 80M or more?only Bale,Cr7,ADM,KDB & Suarez costed that much (with James almost in the list)
Simply the list of the clubs who can pay that sum reduces drastically .the demand immediately decrease .Only Barca,RM ,Manu,Man City & PSG have the money to make such deal .
If Pogba to leave ,he has only those 5 as an options .Barca already out of the race for now .Pogba already made it clear he would never go back to Manu & it is reported (not sure if he said it himself or not) he sees going back to France as a step back . so the options for him aren't that big really .and many of those won't pay more than 120M to get him .Juve can use your equation to say he is worth 200M as they want .but they will never get it and can enjoy having him for the rest of his career

 

[Jamie Cal]

Think Madrid would be mad not to go for him. Between Zidane, their current setup, their guys to send out to Juventus (Isco/James, Moratta), their wealth, their lack of depth at CM with Kova likely going on loan, their lack of legs in midfield, the chance to keep him away from us, his 'galactico' personality AND the transfer embargo looming - it makes sense on paper.

 

[Jombi]

The market doesn't work that way mate . you are making the wrong comparisons here .
the golden role about the market is supply & Demand .Juve can ask for 1 Billion if they want .no one will pay for that .

To make it simple ,almost all big clubs in Europe (and even some non big club in England) can pay 40M (and even more on bonus) for single player .
There are few who actually deserved that sum .so the selling clubs can take advantage of that and make clubs pay 40-50M for a player who could potentially be worth that money .i.e Martial and Renato
Now ,for players worth 80M or more?only Bale,Cr7,ADM,KDB & Suarez costed that much (with James almost in the list)
Simply the list of the clubs who can pay that sum reduces drastically .the demand immediately decrease .Only Barca,RM ,Manu,Man City & PSG have the money to make such deal .
If Pogba to leave ,he has only those 5 as an options .Barca already out of the race for now .Pogba already made it clear he would never go back to Manu & it is reported (not sure if he said it himself or not) he sees going back to France as a step back . so the options for him aren't that big really .and many of those won't pay more than 120M to get him .Juve can use your equation to say he is worth 200M as they want .but they will never get it and can enjoy having him for the rest of his career

Lets see. Money in football is skyrocketing and you keep mentioning what happened years ago. I see you didnt even touch on his commercial value for a buying club. You make tons of assumptions here. Lets just see.

 

[Jamie Cal]

Those guys mentioned above were all either coming from much lesser status clubs than Juve, ADM was deemed surplus, and Cristiano moved in 2009 which is quite a few years now.

He also has Mino Raiola as an agent, who iirc makes his money more from transfers compared to contracts. He tried to ship Hamsik to every club in Italy a few years back only for Hamsik to renew with Napoli.

Pogba's got the suitors, the brand, has a unique skill set and is at the perfect age too. He could easily end up being a Euro winner this summer too. It won't be 200 million, but I'd be surprised if it didn't break the transfer record. Unless he runs his contract down or it's part of a swap or something.

 

[Barcilliant]

Those dumb asses at UEFA need to bring a salary and transfer cap in. European football will implode at this rate.

Huge transfer fees for youngsters, massive levels of debt. It's not good for the game.

We should Fuck Nike off.

We've been the most successful club of the past ten years.

Adidas should give us a contract that's on par or bigger then Utds.

 

[Messi983]

useless player like Mathieu

Mathieu is not useless.


Look at those expenditure comparisions between last two seasons.

So if we hadn't won anything we would have pretty normal wage to budget ratio. Of course that doesn't mean we shouldn't get rid of the deadweight like Adriano, Douglas, Song,... and give their money to players who deserved it more (Busquets, Ney, Rakitic, Roberto,..).

Also don't forget part of those salaries are also for professional handball and basketball sections (we are the only big club who have both of those sections competing on high level). If we only look at football team, our ratio last season was 66%, which is within the recommended levels (55-70% of incomes).

We could renew some of contracts now, but club will just push them into a new season (after 01.07) because of accountancy reasons. Other clubs (not to mention companies) are also doing this when possible.

 

[khaled_a_d]

Lets see. Money in football is skyrocketing and you keep mentioning what happened years ago. I see you didnt even touch on his commercial value for a buying club. You make tons of assumptions here. Lets just see.

With all respect ,when you say a player will break the record by double the number .you are the one making assumptions

Those guys mentioned above were all either coming from much lesser status clubs than Juve, ADM was deemed surplus, and Cristiano moved in 2009 which is quite a few years now.

He also has Mino Raiola as an agent, who iirc makes his money more from transfers compared to contracts. He tried to ship Hamsik to every club in Italy a few years back only for Hamsik to renew with Napoli.

Pogba's got the suitors, the brand, has a unique skill set and is at the perfect age too. He could easily end up being a Euro winner this summer too. It won't be 200 million, but I'd be surprised if it didn't break the transfer record. Unless he runs his contract down or it's part of a swap or something.

1-ADM wasn't surplus,he was one of RM best player and many considered him as important as Cr7 .his deal funded James deal too .
2-Transfers record is again more about the buying club not the selling
To break the record you need a club welling to do so .Only RM has broke world record of transfers in this Millennium btw

And having an agent like Raiola could work against him
-for starter Raiola lost his touch long time ago ,the guy was once the biggest agent in the world and if it wasn't for Pogba he would have been long forgotten
-He doesn't have many friends anymore .Perez hates him ,Barca management has bad connection with him even with Braida .in general he is no more popular among clubs .that is important among agents
-He wants huge cut .agents take 3-5% of every transfer deal between clubs (not from the wage,talking about transfer fee) and they take it from the selling club unless otherwise agreed . Raiola made it clear he want 10% and that Juve want him to take it from the selling club . that will be huge factor .if a club like Barca/RM was ready to pay him 100M ,they have to pay additional 10M for his agent
-Pogba doesn't have his image rights ,again those are usually owned by one of 3 (player,club,agent) so when a deal happens a club get automatically half of it at least .that is a huge factor if a a player is considered to have a "brand"
Pogba already sold it to his agent .but his former one .again that is bad business because the guy want 15M for himself to sell it.
Remember ,the agent % and the image rights money won't be announced as part of any deal .but they cost a lot

So actually ,Pogba is gr8 and yes I think he will break the world record if sold .but there are tons of factors out there that are against him smashing it with huge margin.much less with double the figure that Jombi through it

 

[DonAK]

Pogba bought back his image rights recently [MENTION=11668]khaled_a_d[/MENTION]

 

[Jombi]

With all respect ,when you say a player will break the record by double the number .you are the one making assumptions




1-ADM wasn't surplus,he was one of RM best player and many considered him as important as Cr7 .his deal funded James deal too .
2-Transfers record is again more about the buying club not the selling
To break the record you need a club welling to do so .Only RM has broke world record of transfers in this Millennium btw

And having an agent like Raiola could work against him
-for starter Raiola lost his touch long time ago ,the guy was once the biggest agent in the world and if it wasn't for Pogba he would have been long forgotten
-He doesn't have many friends anymore .Perez hates him ,Barca management has bad connection with him even with Braida .in general he is no more popular among clubs .that is important among agents
-He wants huge cut .agents take 3-5% of every transfer deal between clubs (not from the wage,talking about transfer fee) and they take it from the selling club unless otherwise agreed . Raiola made it clear he want 10% and that Juve want him to take it from the selling club . that will be huge factor .if a club like Barca/RM was ready to pay him 100M ,they have to pay additional 10M for his agent
-Pogba doesn't have his image rights ,again those are usually owned by one of 3 (player,club,agent) so when a deal happens a club get automatically half of it at least .that is a huge factor if a a player is considered to have a "brand"
Pogba already sold it to his agent .but his former one .again that is bad business because the guy want 15M for himself to sell it.
Remember ,the agent % and the image rights money won't be announced as part of any deal .but they cost a lot

So actually ,Pogba is gr8 and yes I think he will break the world record if sold .but there are tons of factors out there that are against him smashing it with huge margin.much less with double the figure that Jombi through it

ADM was surplus in Man U. Everyone understand that is what he meant.

And who says Pogba will be sold this year? There is very little reason to believe he will. You are assuming I say he will be sold this summer. Transfer records could be smashed this summer. Whether he will be sold for 200m or 150m, that is the ballpark idea people need to be prepared for. Not some fantasy of us buying Pogba for 80m plus Marquinhos plus plus plus etc.

 

[khaled_a_d]

ADM was surplus in Man U. Everyone understand that is what he meant.

And who says Pogba will be sold this year? There is very little reason to believe he will. You are assuming I say he will be sold this summer. Transfer records could be smashed this summer. Whether he will be sold for 200m or 150m, that is the ballpark idea people need to be prepared for. Not some fantasy of us buying Pogba for 80m plus Marquinhos plus plus plus etc.

ADM deal that cost more than 80M was the one when he moved from RM to Manu .so if he meant it then he is making the wrong answer
As for the Pogba ,well it seem nothing would make you change your mind about this crazy 200M figure anyway so I am not sure there is anything more to discuss

 

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[Jombi]

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Probably started "monitoring" him after he scored against us. I think we are still "monitoring" Javi Martinez.

 

[Barcilliant]

Wow all quiet on the western front.

 

[AZZA]

Apparently, David Alaba wants a move to Barca, but only if they play him in midfield
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/david-alaba-wants-sign-barcelona-7944356