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SeloBarca

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Im just worried well buy "backup" players instead of top world class starter players :/

Laporte and Ter Stegen are the only decent rumors so far. We still need another CB, a RB and a midfield engine.

I think the LaMasia starter players have a bit to much power and might proove hard to get rid off
 

Sumlit

San Claudio Bravo
Nah, it's a rubbish "plan B". Of course "bus parking" teams utilize the wings. Isn't what Real Madrid did to Bayern considered "bus parking" on this forum? We're talking about 4-4-2 low block teams that are ceding possession, pressing against the ball hard and breaking with speed, right? Then Bayern from last season and Real Madrid are doing exactly what Atletico are doing except with much better personnel. Only clueless teams hoof it long to the centerforward like Chelsea 2012. The teams we struggle against are more competent these days. Having said that. Even Chelsea at Stamford Bridge played a diagonal ball to the space behind Alves who was pushed high when Messi lost the ball and that's how they scored. A lineup with only 1 player on each flank would only worsen this effect.

Nevermind that we already go 3-4-3 against 2 striker systems anyway when it is clever to do so with Busquets dropping as an auxiliary defender and both fullbacks pushing up. We don't play a rigid formation. The point of having 3 centerbacks + Busquets up against 2 strikers completely escapes me however, even as a specific plan against Atletico's 4-4-2.

Barca's problem right now is not a specfic formation. This is always the worst part of the season whenever Barca don't win the CL. Peeps present funny lineups and draw arrows to "fix it".

Utilizing the wings is not the same thing as gameplanning to exploit the wings. Exploiting the wings is when you purposely attack that side of the field with numbers to create mismatches and overlaps, much like Madrid did with di Maria, Ronaldo and Marcelo in the 4-3 Clasico at the Bernabeu. That is how you exploit a wing.

With a bus parking team, you cannot do this because you simply do not have the numbers on a counter. Bus parking teams against Barca counter with 2-3 players on a break, and the counters almost always originate from the middle of the field where a pass is made to the space between the midfield and the CBs. The problem is, counters against Barca also catch the fullbacks up the field, and basically leave the 2 CBs to cover both the center and the wing, so when the pass is made from the middle onto the wing, the CB has to go cover the wing then leaving the middle open.

With a 3 CB set up, you can cover the middle and the wing against a 2-3 man counter breaks and allow the team to recuperate better. With that particular formation, you would be actually defending with more players than the current Barca formation.

Again though, this is only vs teams who are going to park the bus against you. Madrid does not park the bus, they play counter, but they do not park the bus.
 

FC B

Senior Member
Barcelona ready to spend €121.9M and can extend to €133M with a city sponsorship. 7 players may be added.

It doesn't look that much of a sum 133€.
Keep in mind that transfer ban that might get reactivated or that rm for example constantly bought a lot more than Barca especiialy since 2009-2010 and we need massive fresh blood intake.
 

serghei

Senior Member
I've heard Pjanic would fancy playing for us. If we are to buy a CM, there's no one who is 24 and is better than Pjanic at the moment. He should be signed, both for the present and for the future.

Busi, Masche -- DMs
Cesc, Iniesta, Xavi, Pjanic - CM/CAMs.

And we will be set in midfield.
 

Ursegor

World Champion
Utilizing the wings is not the same thing as gameplanning to exploit the wings. Exploiting the wings is when you purposely attack that side of the field with numbers to create mismatches and overlaps, much like Madrid did with di Maria, Ronaldo and Marcelo in the 4-3 Clasico at the Bernabeu. That is how you exploit a wing.

With a bus parking team, you cannot do this because you simply do not have the numbers on a counter. Bus parking teams against Barca counter with 2-3 players on a break, and the counters almost always originate from the middle of the field where a pass is made to the space between the midfield and the CBs. The problem is, counters against Barca also catch the fullbacks up the field, and basically leave the 2 CBs to cover both the center and the wing, so when the pass is made from the middle onto the wing, the CB has to go cover the wing then leaving the middle open.

With a 3 CB set up, you can cover the middle and the wing against a 2-3 man counter breaks and allow the team to recuperate better. With that particular formation, you would be actually defending with more players than the current Barca formation.

Again though, this is only vs teams who are going to park the bus against you. Madrid does not park the bus, they play counter, but they do not park the bus.

I don't agree with that reasoning at all. Barca's shape in normal 4-3-3 when attacking a "parked bus" looks somewhat like this:

---------Neymar-----------------------Alexis---------
----------------------------Messi----------------------
--------------Iniesta----------------------------Alves
--Alba------------------------------Xavi---------------
-----------------------Busquets-------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------
-----------Masche-----------------Pique----------------

The proposed "3-5-2" will look exactly the same except taking Alexis out and putting the imaginary additional DM (Javi Martinez) somewhere alongside Busquets like this:


----------------Neymar---------------------------------
Alba------------------------Messi----------------Alves
--------------Iniesta----------------Xavi--------------
-----------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------Busquets-----------------
---------------------Martinez------------------------
-----Masche-------------------------------Pique--------

(Let's ignore the exact personnel for a second, imagine Cuadrado instead of Alves if you like).

All you achieved is take out an attacking player, exploit your wide areas (no more wingers pressing from the front nor tracking back) for another defensive minded central player at the base of the midfield who will just try to make up for this flaw.

Breaking the bus will actually be harder. Who provides the movement in such a lineup? Diagonal runs from the wings? Surprise overlapping runs from fullbacks?

If you are only worried about getting counterattacked then "3-5-2" again is pointless as you can just play your normal 4-3-3 but deeper. Like this:

----------Neymar----------------------------------------
----------------------------Messi--------------Alexis
--------------Iniesta-----------------------------------
-------------------------------------Xavi---------------
-----------------------Busquets-------------------------
--Alba--------------------------------------------Alves-
-----------Masche-----------------Pique----------------

Now you actually have 5 defenders at the back but also enough bodies upfront with 3 forwards + Iniesta and it's still more balanced. The ball will also move faster without an oaf like Martinez in the middle.

1000 reasons why this proposed formation is crap.
 
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