AfricanBavarian
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Bayern's formation changes a lot during the game but the 4-1-4-1 seems to be the starting formation and it turns into a 3-4-3 in the game....
Borussia Dortmund
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Maria
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If I remember corectly, Borussia had an even worse start in 2011-2012(they were at 5 points of Bayern at this stage of the season), but they beat Bayern at Allianz Arena in November and won after that 55 points out of 63 possible(and the league). So if they manage to win against Bayern and don't make it to the the last 16 in the CL(and I say this because their squad can't handle playing in CL and Bundesliga at the rhythm of heavy-metal), I can see them repeatting what they did 2 seasons ago.
Definitely. Best start into the season so far under Klopp, no need to worry at all. The only drop of bitterness is that Bayern are not going to drop many points either. But then again, they haven't looked as good as last season and struggled when you wouldn't have expected it.
Maria
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Definitely. Best start into the season so far under Klopp, no need to worry at all. The only drop of bitterness is that Bayern are not going to drop many points either. But then again, they haven't looked as good as last season and struggled when you wouldn't have expected it.
They didn't looked as good as last season, but even when they dropped points I still felt like they deserved to win. Although, to be honest, I didn't expect them to have so many points at this stage of the season because I remember us struggling in the league after we won the CL.
Maria
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If it's a joke, I'm not laughing.
Now more than the game against Bayern, I'm worried about the CL games. They really need the money that come from the qualification in the last 16 and the football fans need them in the CL.
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If it's a joke, I'm not laughing.
Now more than the game against Bayern, I'm worried about the CL games. They really need the money that come from the qualification in the last 16 and the football fans need them in the CL.
Yeah, at this point I think Dortmund are hoping we (Arsenal) beat Napoli, while they beat Marseille, and then they manage to draw Napoli. It'll be hard, without Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Gundogan, but I think they can manage it. I'm almost sure they're not finishing top of the group, but I think they can clinch second.
Apparently they're going to play Durm and Bender in defense. It's a disaster, more or less. That drives them miles away from the league title, unless Bayern are struck by lightning or that defense will magically manage to keep Ribery and Robben at bay. And so much for Low talking about "Dortmund and Bayern are not my business".
As for CL, Schmelzer might be back in time for the Napoli match in 3 weeks, and they even hope to get back Gündogan by then. Arsenal will have to do the job for them and finish off Napoli.
MOM Dortmund - Bayern: Joachim Low
(Nah, I'm just kidding. But still.)
As for CL, Schmelzer might be back in time for the Napoli match in 3 weeks, and they even hope to get back Gündogan by then. Arsenal will have to do the job for them and finish off Napoli.
MOM Dortmund - Bayern: Joachim Low
(Nah, I'm just kidding. But still.)
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Maria
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Why are you saying this:
Also as bad as this situation looks for Borussia, when was the last time that Bayern beat them at home? Or in the league for that matter..we should probably go as back as 2010. Like I said, I'm more confident that they can draw with Bayern on Saturday than I am of their chances in the CL.
Also as bad as this situation looks for Borussia, when was the last time that Bayern beat them at home? Or in the league for that matter..we should probably go as back as 2010. Like I said, I'm more confident that they can draw with Bayern on Saturday than I am of their chances in the CL.
I'm saying it because, imo, it was a bit risky to start both Dortmund defenders he had at his disposal in the match against England, which in itself is not a big problem, but combined with his plans for the match and his attitude towards it beforehand, it seems like a stupid idea. I do know that he played Kroos for 180 minutes and also overused Gotze, but I don't see where the need for two more or less proven defenders (at least in previous matches more proven than the combo of Jansen, Westermann, Höwedes etc) in a game that he wanted to use for experimenting with different ATTACKING players came from.
He is of course right in saying that he can't take care of Dortmund's or Bayern's specific demands. But the way he responded at that press pre-match press conference, where he went a little "bitchy" at a normal question and joked about athletes in their 20s being able to play more than two games per weeks, made it seem like any concerns were absolutely ridiculous.
But yeah, shit happens. He couldn't foresee it. It's just bad luck... but still. As for the Bayern game, I hope you are right.
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Maria
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Actually Low didn't start both of them against England..Boateng played in the first half(and by the way, they are saying that, although he's not as badly injured as Hummels, he might be also missing the game against Borussia) and he replaced him with Hummels at HT. And like you said, he played Kroos and Gotze 180 minutes even though Schweinsteiger, Thiago and Javi Martinez are injured(the last one being injured by Pedro in training in Spain and Del Bosque, instead of letting him go back to Munchen, took him in South Africa with the whole team). So I genuinely think that Low at that moment didn't care about Borussia-Bayern.
And I don't blame him after what Klopp said when Hummels was benched with the german NT, when he went as far as saying that Low has something against Borussia's german players. You can't have it both ways..and as we saw with Khedira and Valdes, s**t happends. Also if we are to blame someone, I would blame FIFA, not the NTs managers(the exception being Sabella and what he did to Mascherano and Messi against Ecuador, when they were the only 2 argentinians that had to play for 180 minutes).
AfricanBavarian
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Their is always the Europa League
True about the starters, I actually didn't mean start but play. The same goes for Bayern players - I just don't see a need for trying out three different CBs (Boateng included) that have all played numerous games for Germany before in a friendly where he meant to give non-established players a try. I also don't blame him, I just think his overreaction at the PK was exactly that, an overreaction, at least in view of how everything turned out.
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