BREAKING: Barca have reached agreement with Nike

[M3ls]

Your original argument: "There is a domino effect because of the 555m contract signed by Messi because of someone who hasn't worked at Barca for 5+ years thinks so"
- I'm using your original method of argument of using someone's statements that shed good light on Messi
- You don't mention anything at all about Bartomeu in this forum when he clearly he had a huge part in our financial situation giving out ridiculous transfer fees and wages to Coutinho and Griezmann
- using Suarez contract renewal as evidence when clearly he did renewed before Messi renewed his contract

Clearly, you focusing on the wrong folks of Messi and of Yamal, when all of your focus should be on someone else at the club.

I backed up my arguments with the words of a member of Bartomeu's team.

1. Knowledge of the subject area
2. Ability to analyse cause and effect relationships

So I see a team that is attractive in terms of status, city, climate, why are we paying players above market wages?

And so you analyse and come to some conclusions.


I'm not just using Leo's contract as an argument, I'm using other players' salaries as well. As an example, Coutinho, Griezmann, etc.

The fact that Suarez extended his contract before Leo's contract says nothing. Financial issues can be renegotiated even without a contract extension.

I'm focusing on Yamal as I don't want history to repeat itself. I'm not saying we should get rid of Yamal now, I'm saying we shouldn't agree to the demands of Yamal, his family and Mendes if their demands are excessive. In that case we'd better let him go.

 

[soul24rage]

I backed up my arguments with the words of a member of Bartomeu's team.

1. Knowledge of the subject area
2. Ability to analyse cause and effect relationships

So I see a team that is attractive in terms of status, city, climate, why are we paying players above market wages?

And so you analyse and come to some conclusions.


I'm not just using Leo's contract as an argument, I'm using other players' salaries as well. As an example, Coutinho, Griezmann, etc.

The fact that Suarez extended his contract before Leo's contract says nothing. Financial issues can be renegotiated even without a contract extension.

I'm focusing on Yamal as I don't want history to repeat itself. I'm not saying we should get rid of Yamal now, I'm saying we shouldn't agree to the demands of Yamal, his family and Mendes if their demands are excessive. In that case we'd better let him go.

So you are using the source from Barto's team, the same Bartomeu that you supposedly "criticized". You realize how comical this sounds right?

There has to be a reason why you criticized Bartomeu and his stupidity right? I hope you realize that he is stupid enough to give high transfer fees and insane wages to Coutinho and Griezmann without accounting to Messi's contract, which by the way, the contract was leaked in January 2021, so no party knew about the contract besides a close circle before Coutinho and Griezmann signed for the club.

Where's the evidence that Suarez extended the financial issues without a contract extension? Please don't use Capalogy as your source.

 

[M3ls]

So you are using the source from Barto's team, the same Bartomeu that you supposedly "criticized". You realize how comical this sounds right?

There has to be a reason why you criticized Bartomeu and his stupidity right? I hope you realize that he is stupid enough to give high transfer fees and insane wages to Coutinho and Griezmann without accounting to Messi's contract, which by the way, the contract was leaked in January 2021, so no party knew about the contract besides a close circle before Coutinho and Griezmann signed for the club.

Where's the evidence that Suarez extended the financial issues without a contract extension? Please don't use Capalogy as your source.

I will repeat for the third time - I used the words of a former representative from Bartomeu's team as a factor to further support my conclusions. Once again - the conclusions would not have been made on the basis of his words, they were only used as an addition that reinforces my conclusions.


I read news back in 2018 that Leo was getting €104m a year - L'Equipe wrote about this for example, citing Football Leaks.

The contract was signed in November 2017, and now IN JANUARY 2018 (THAT is already 2 months later) Football Leaks writes this. They wrote about €104m even though his wages were actually €138m, but that's still a huge figure.

Football Leaks : Les chiffres vertigineux du contrat de Lionel Messi, payé plus de 100 M€ par an au FC Barcelone

Selon les documents Football Leaks révélés ce vendredi par Mediapart, les revenus cumulés de Lionel Messi au FC Barcelone atteignent plus de 100 millions d'euros brut par an.

www.lequipe.fr

Thus, if the newspapers already knew more or less true information after 2 months, then inside the club and people close to the club - agents, etc., knew even more accurate figures (138 million euros).

So the argument that nobody knew about Leo's salary until 2021 is complete rubbish. It's just that in 2021 amidst all the problems - it caused a wuv effect. Mundo Deportivo came out with the headline €555m over 4 years with Leo's picture on the front cover.


I think https://www.capology.com/features/ is a fairly reliable source. You can read their data collection methodology, besides, some of their data labelled with a certain mark are officially confirmed by the clubs. Again, you can read about this in the section where they describe their methodology.


As for the evidence that the wage rise is due to Leo's contract amongst other things. Are you demanding an official document? Suarez's words? That's nonsense. You can take the same approach to any claim.

You've analysed a bunch of data and come to the conclusion that the team is playing poorly because of tactical errors in every single game. Then you question the coach's performance.


Imagine that in response to this someone says to you - where is the evidence that the coach is at fault? Do you have a document? Maybe the players aren't doing what the coach says on purpose. How would you know?

That's bullshit. My conclusions are based on input parameters, analyses of cause and effect processes that took place at that time.

You can say the opposite - Bartomeu was just a fool, Leo's wages had no effect on the overall atmosphere and Bartomeu just handed out x3 wages to everyone.

Those are your conclusions. People will read our arguments and then make a choice - which position is closer to them.

 

[soul24rage]

I will repeat for the third time - I used the words of a former representative from Bartomeu's team as a factor to further support my conclusions. Once again - the conclusions would not have been made on the basis of his words, they were only used as an addition that reinforces my conclusions.


I read news back in 2018 that Leo was getting €104m a year - L'Equipe wrote about this for example, citing Football Leaks.

The contract was signed in November 2017, and now IN JANUARY 2018 (THAT is already 2 months later) Football Leaks writes this. They wrote about €104m even though his wages were actually €138m, but that's still a huge figure.

Football Leaks : Les chiffres vertigineux du contrat de Lionel Messi, payé plus de 100 M€ par an au FC Barcelone

Selon les documents Football Leaks révélés ce vendredi par Mediapart, les revenus cumulés de Lionel Messi au FC Barcelone atteignent plus de 100 millions d'euros brut par an.

www.lequipe.fr

Thus, if the newspapers already knew more or less true information after 2 months, then inside the club and people close to the club - agents, etc., knew even more accurate figures (138 million euros).

So the argument that nobody knew about Leo's salary until 2021 is complete rubbish. It's just that in 2021 amidst all the problems - it caused a wuv effect. Mundo Deportivo came out with the headline €555m over 4 years with Leo's picture on the front cover.


I think https://www.capology.com/features/ is a fairly reliable source. You can read their data collection methodology, besides, some of their data labelled with a certain mark are officially confirmed by the clubs. Again, you can read about this in the section where they describe their methodology.


As for the evidence that the wage rise is due to Leo's contract amongst other things. Are you demanding an official document? Suarez's words? That's nonsense. You can take the same approach to any claim.

You've analysed a bunch of data and come to the conclusion that the team is playing poorly because of tactical errors in every single game. Then you question the coach's performance.


Imagine that in response to this someone says to you - where is the evidence that the coach is at fault? Do you have a document? Maybe the players aren't doing what the coach says on purpose. How would you know?

That's bullshit. My conclusions are based on input parameters, analyses of cause and effect processes that took place at that time.

You can say the opposite - Bartomeu was just a fool, Leo's wages had no effect on the overall atmosphere and Bartomeu just handed out x3 wages to everyone.

Those are your conclusions. People will read our arguments and then make a choice - which position is closer to them.

- "I will repeat for the third time - I used the words of a former representative from Bartomeu's team as a factor to further support my conclusions. Once again - the conclusions would not have been made on the basis of his words, they were only used as an addition that reinforces my conclusions." Your initial conclusion is based on sentiments and feelings and using Bartomeu's former team member as the source of truth, not based on facts.

- "The contract was signed in November 2017, and now IN JANUARY 2018 (THAT is already 2 months later) Football Leaks writes this" I can't open this as I don't have subscription so I have no idea what is written here. If everyone knew about Messi's contract before it was leaked, then it wouldn't have been a massive news to the football world when the contract was leaked in 2021 right? Besides, newspaper write whatever they want, look at FDJ's reaction in a press conference that the newspapers are far from the truth in terms of his wages.

- "As for the evidence that the wage rise is due to Leo's contract amongst other things. Are you demanding an official document? Suarez's words?" You are the one who brought it up that Suarez extended the financial issues without a contract extension. Surely, you must have researched about this before concluding that that Suarez extended the financial issues without a contract extension?

Also, don't use Capology as your source

 

[M3ls]

- "I will repeat for the third time - I used the words of a former representative from Bartomeu's team as a factor to further support my conclusions. Once again - the conclusions would not have been made on the basis of his words, they were only used as an addition that reinforces my conclusions." Your initial conclusion is based on sentiments and feelings and using Bartomeu's former team member as the source of truth, not based on facts.

- "The contract was signed in November 2017, and now IN JANUARY 2018 (THAT is already 2 months later) Football Leaks writes this" I can't open this as I don't have subscription so I have no idea what is written here. If everyone knew about Messi's contract before it was leaked, then it wouldn't have been a massive news to the football world when the contract was leaked in 2021 right? Besides, newspaper write whatever they want, look at FDJ's reaction in a press conference that the newspapers are far from the truth in terms of his wages.

- "As for the evidence that the wage rise is due to Leo's contract amongst other things. Are you demanding an official document? Suarez's words?" You are the one who brought it up that Suarez extended the financial issues without a contract extension. Surely, you must have researched about this before concluding that that Suarez extended the financial issues without a contract extension?

Also, don't use Capology as your source

I repeat once again for especially stupid people - my conclusions are based on analysing the cause-and-effect relationships of the processes that were taking place at the time, and my conclusions also support the words of the former representative of Bartomeu's team. Leo's insane contract is a fact. The insane salaries of other players afterwards is a fact. The ultimately bloated wage bill is a fact.

No emotion. Inputs and analyses.

This is an article from January 2018 (Leo signed a new contract in November 2017, meaning this article came out two months after the contract was announced). It says Leo is earning €104m under the new contract. You claimed that Leo's contract wasn't leaked until 2021, and therefore his contract couldn't affect the overall atmosphere.

I proved you otherwise - already knew about Leo's insane contract two months later. It wasn't a secret even then. It's just that the MD newspaper published the documents in 2021 and against a backdrop of economic problems it caused a wow effect.


What I said was that Suarez's salary was €7m more in 19-20 than in 17-18, 18-19.

You told me he renewed his contract in 2016. I replied to you that there is nothing stopping clubs from making changes to a player's wages without announcing a contract extension. There was no agreement extension, but there was a review of the financial aspect.

It is a fairly reliable source when it comes to the salary levels of players, especially top clubs. Moreover, they highlight with a certain marker the information that is 100% accurate.

 

[soul24rage]

I repeat once again for especially stupid people - my conclusions are based on analysing the cause-and-effect relationships of the processes that were taking place at the time, and my conclusions also support the words of the former representative of Bartomeu's team. Leo's insane contract is a fact. The insane salaries of other players afterwards is a fact. The ultimately bloated wage bill is a fact.

No emotion. Inputs and analyses.

This is an article from January 2018 (Leo signed a new contract in November 2017, meaning this article came out two months after the contract was announced). It says Leo is earning €104m under the new contract. You claimed that Leo's contract wasn't leaked until 2021, and therefore his contract couldn't affect the overall atmosphere.

I proved you otherwise - already knew about Leo's insane contract two months later. It wasn't a secret even then. It's just that the MD newspaper published the documents in 2021 and against a backdrop of economic problems it caused a wow effect.


What I said was that Suarez's salary was €7m more in 19-20 than in 17-18, 18-19.

You told me he renewed his contract in 2016. I replied to you that there is nothing stopping clubs from making changes to a player's wages without announcing a contract extension. There was no agreement extension, but there was a review of the financial aspect.

It is a fairly reliable source when it comes to the salary levels of players, especially top clubs. Moreover, they highlight with a certain marker the information that is 100% accurate.

Again, you are missing the point of this entire debate. I don't know how many times I have to repeat to you.

Let me make it simpler for you because it seems like English is not your first language. You say all those bloated wages are fact, to which I agree with since the beginning that they are indeed facts. However, you haven't proven to me at all that if the bloated wages of other players are because of the domino of Messi's contract or that it was Bartomeu's incompetence of giving out bloated wages to the players.

That newspaper that you posted is not a fact, the contract that was leaked is a fact. Every newspaper can write whatever they want about players' wages and etc or otherwise, Messi would have sued that newspaper like they wanted to with El Mundo. This is the type of news that players like FDJ get mad of for the misinformation that the press can give at times.

Where did you get that Suarez's salary was €7m more in 19-20 than in 17-18, 18-19? Capology? I'm seeing that Umtiti is earning more than Suarez in 19/20. You seriously expect me to believe that Umtiti is earning more than Suarez?

https://www.capology.com/club/barcelona/salaries/2019-2020/

I do expect you to have this same effort, time and energy on Bartomeu as well since you apparently criticized him. Here's the link of the forum.

Josep Maria Bartomeu

Hansi sacked this guy, don't forget that He could have stopped at 4 goals on that stormy Lisbon night and the suffering under this degenerated prick would continue who knows how long Hansi was a legend before he even signed for this club, fairs

www.barcaforum.com

 

[Messigician]

Hard to give a shit about this deal

 

[companyofcules]

Hope I don't apear as a Bartomeu fan after his puppies hated my guts. The first madman act was to say we don't need both Suarez and Neymar, 2016 I was no Suarez, 2017 no Neymar. That got me isolated even from the dogs on the streets.
Hard to call @M3ls wrong, @soul24rage. Maybe he over points at Messi and he is wrong in the details, but Suarez got a raise because he was the new best amigo of Messi and because the hype was insane for his La Liga games while he was actually shit in UCL.

Bartomeu had no IQ to refuse the friend of the lion and a friend that produced good football.
As for his other friends still making money on his back, Messi was the shield.
The problem started with Ros not Barto, when he ousted Pep to protect the future amigos. Barto was just too dumb and wanted to be the hero of this kids and the good president loved by amigos.
He paid Messi absolute crazy numbers, but maybe not unprofitable, added to that the amigos crazy numbers, then after they failed both in 2016 and 2017 to win UCL and Neymar left, he was forced by the kids to splash more and more money on saviours and huge salaries.
And many of this lossers were not even Barcelona fans but Messi fans that got desperate since Ronaldo was getting more and more hyped and successful, Neymar fans that wanted him back.

 

[soul24rage]

Hope I don't apear as a Bartomeu fan after his puppies hated my guts. The first madman act was to say we don't need both Suarez and Neymar, 2016 I was no Suarez, 2017 no Neymar. That got me isolated even from the dogs on the streets.
Hard to call @M3ls wrong, @soul24rage. Maybe he over points at Messi and he is wrong in the details, but Suarez got a raise because he was the new best amigo of Messi and because the hype was insane for his La Liga games while he was actually shit in UCL.

Bartomeu had no IQ to refuse the friend of the lion and a friend that produced good football.
As for his other friends still making money on his back, Messi was the shield.
The problem started with Ros not Barto, when he ousted Pep to protect the future amigos. Barto was just too dumb and wanted to be the hero of this kids and the good president loved by amigos.
He paid Messi absolute crazy numbers, but maybe not unprofitable, added to that the amigos crazy numbers, then after they failed both in 2016 and 2017 to win UCL and Neymar left, he was forced by the kids to splash more and more money on saviours and huge salaries.
And many of this lossers were not even Barcelona fans but Messi fans that got desperate since Ronaldo was getting more and more hyped and successful, Neymar fans that wanted him back.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.

I know that Suarez got a raise. The question that I am posing to Mels is when he got the raise and he wasn't able to prove this out to me. The best that he could do is Capology, which is not 100% factual.

 

[jamrock]

Everyone in the Nike office, looking at each other side ways, after yesterday's game.

 

[BJJ]

Cannot understand the clubs fascination with Nike.
This club is just fucking lazy. It bends down to la liga, Tebas and Real Madrid. We never address the injustices meted out to us. We make a little noise and than continue along our way.
We could have sent a message to Nike by signing a good deal with Puma. Instead we just cucked it. The max length any deal should be is 10 years. Inflation is a very real thing.

 

[Messi983]

It is a 10 year deal.

 

[Porque]

It is a 10 year deal.

In 10 years Lamine and Cubarsi will be 27, and Vinicius will look 67. Amazing.

 

[Messi983]

Barça 24-25 has already played 17 games, 10 of them away from Montjuïc. It's enough time to see what Flick's team have worn away from home in this significant sequence of matches... And it's enough time to start crying. Only on two occasions has Barça dressed as they should, as Barça. Of course, it was in Madrid. The first, in Vallecas. The second, at the Bernabéu, because the Clásico is the Clásico, the most watched club match in the world, and there Nike has not dared to culminate the heresy of perverting the club's colors. In Valencia, Barça debuted in yellow. In Girona, Flick's team debuted the elegant black elastic. Also in black came the first defeat in Monaco. In Villarreal they won in black. In Pamplona, with a coincidence of colors, the first setback in the League on the day of the debut of the 'light aqua' green kit. In Vitoria, Lewandowski scored his only hat-trick of the season, wearing the canton green again. In Belgrade, absolute display dressed in black - there where Maradona's Barça, prior to the tyranny of marketing, played in blue and scarlet. And, finally, against Real, league defeat dressed in black.

A total of 10 outings, with four different fatigues and only on two occasions, as it should be, with the official Barça colors according to the statutes.

The recent agreement between Barça and Nike seems very good, in years and money. The partners, however, cannot know because the official statement does not speak of amounts, conditions, or commissions. Transparency, again, for the sake of it. The owners of the club, in the darkness. And, yes, to continue playing the games with different colored t-shirts so that the tourists get excited.

This.