Bundesliga

[Luftstalag14]

Every team will do what it can to make itself better. It's not any fault of Bayern's that their domestic rivals aren't up to scratch.

It's not like we haven't bought star players from La Liga's best teams (excluding Real Madrid). Villa/Alba/Mathieu from Valencia, Alves/Adriano/Rakitic/Vidal from Sevilla, Turan from Atletico, Bravo from Sociedad, etc.

Very true. Of course it is not Bayern's fault that they have been so much more successful than the rest of the clubs. You can't blame those work hard to make their buckets of gold for the fact there are poor people around.

But there should be a genuine concern for the lack of competition in Bundesliga, for those of us who care.

 

[serghei]

around 10 pages of deicussion and you want to clarify a point everyone knows already?
This fact doesnt make it a weak league. There is only one "truly big" clubs, but I count around 4 or 5 semi-big-clubs, that noone loves to encounter in CL or normal matchday.

If everybody knew that, then there shouldnt've been 10 pages. Either people know that, but are in a state of denial/don't want to admit it, or people don't know that. You take your pick.

Bundesliga is not weak in comparison with France for example. But it is weaker in comparison to Spain, or to England even.

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

around 10 pages of deicussion and you want to clarify a point everyone knows already?
This fact doesnt make it a weak league. There is only one "truly big" clubs, but I count around 4 or 5 semi-big-clubs, that noone loves to encounter in CL or normal matchday.

if you want to look at the others leagues, England has no club nearly at Bayern's level atm, Italy does neither. France, same thing. The only nation with TWO clubs of the same stature and current "power levels", is Spain, although both top dogs are somewhat struggling atm. At the same time, the German opposition is not of the same stature compared to the top teams in England and probably also not Spain, maybe not even Italy. So of course one would have a huge gap right now.
So it's not so much that the rest of the league is shit and the league itself horrible, as some always like to polemically point out, it is more the current brilliance of Bayern and people should rather enjoy the great football Pep has that team playing, instead of bitching about their dominance.
Funnily enough, Real could also essentially do jackshit about Barca when they had their era of Pep dominance. Yet everyone was admiring Barca instead of moaning how one-sided Spanish football had become.

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

Very true. Of course it is not Bayern's fault that they have been so much more successful than the rest of the clubs. You can blame those work hard to make their buckets of gold for the fact there are poor people around.

But there should be a genuine concern for the lack of competition in Bundesliga, for those of us who care.

Only at the very top. If you are a fan of BVB, you will still find enough joy in their fight to regain their spot as second power in Germany (even if that doesn't mean that they are actually level with Bayern) and qualify for CL football again.
Similar can be said for every other team.

 

[serghei]

Funnily enough, Real could also essentially do jackshit about Barca when they had their era of Pep dominance. Yet everyone was admiring Barca instead of moaning how one-sided Spanish football had become.

You just highlighted the brillance of Pep's Barcelona. They made Real Madrid look like a spanish version of Wolfsburg.

 

[Morten]

Only at the very top. If you are a fan of BVB, you will still find enough joy in their fight to regain their spot as second power in Germany (even if that doesn't mean that they are actually level with Bayern) and qualify for CL football again.
Similar can be said for every other team.

And you find joy in betting on how many times in a row Bayern will win the bundesliga or how early they will win it. The excitement!!

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

And you find joy in betting on how many times in a row Bayern will win the bundesliga or how early they will win it. The excitement!!

There is an abudance of bets available to everyone. No one is forced to bet on the things you suggested.

 

[Morten]

You just highlighted the brillance of Pep's Barcelona. They made Real Madrid look like a spanish version of Wolfsburg.

Its not the same situation. While we all know that bundesliga teams except bayern are kinda meh these days(after Dortmunds collapse), Real Madrid still beat most team comfortably back then, and made the semis in cl as a routine. Not quite Wolfsburg-level, was it?

 

[serghei]

Its not the same situation. While we all know that bundesliga teams except bayern are kinda meh these days(after Dortmunds collapse), Real Madrid still beat most team comfortably back then, and made the semis in cl as a routine. Not quite Wolfsburg-level, was it?

I know, I was only kidding. Of course Real Madrid is not like Wolfsburg, but Pep's Barcelona made you look like that on two occasions, you know very well which one.

 

[Ryu Hayabusa]

No, no, come on Ryu, why would I need to be a closet Commie? I am openly a left-leaning person who thinks Marx and Engels were great men with great vision but a bit impractical at the time, I have nothing to hide.

I was referring to their enemies in the early 20th century, whose artifacts attract me so much, so much so that I was considered a closet... you know...

From my collection by the way

Huh? So you are a closet layman Historian and collector. That's actually a good thing. Way to few people nowadays who value history and the lessons it's willing to give anyone who bothers enough to listen.
And don't worry, being a little obsessed with 'the dark', is perfectly normal.

 

[KingMessi]

Gerd Muller has Alzheimer's.

http://www.fcbayern.de/de/news/news/2015/gerd-mueller-wird-70-061015.php

Be strong Der Bomber.

 

[Morten]

Gerd Muller has Alzheimer's.

http://www.fcbayern.de/de/news/news/2015/gerd-mueller-wird-70-061015.php

Be strong Der Bomber.

Was about to post it, sad indeed.

 

[Luftstalag14]

Only at the very top. If you are a fan of BVB, you will still find enough joy in their fight to regain their spot as second power in Germany (even if that doesn't mean that they are actually level with Bayern) and qualify for CL football again.
Similar can be said for every other team.

As a supporter of BVB, why should I be content when they can't vye for the top spot, only the second best?

 

[Luftstalag14]

Huh? So you are a closet layman Historian and collector. That's actually a good thing. Way to few people nowadays who value history and the lessons it's willing to give anyone who bothers enough to listen.
And don't worry, being a little obsessed with 'the dark', is perfectly normal.

Alright, Ryu, you are not taking the bait.

Anyway, it is what it is. You can't blame the relatively meager influence of Bundesliga on anything that Germany did or did not do in the last 20 centuries.

 

[Donauwelle]

As a supporter of BVB, why should I be content when they can't vye for the top spot, only the second best?

Right now they should be content to be there after the last season. One of the problems of the last two or three years of the club was that they looked a lot more to Bayern than that they looked to the other opposition. A real rival for Bayern is not build in 2 years. Bayern was not build in two years either. If they stay consistently in the CL ranks etc. we might talk in some years about a real rivalry. There has not been one really since 3 years - not in the league. It took longer in Europe. With Tuchel they have the chance to build up a good team again for the future on the basis of tactics that are better for a big club as they are no underdog anymore.