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Who will win the Bundesliga this season?

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Ryu Hayabusa

Guest
Alright, Ryu, you are not taking the bait. :lol:

Anyway, it is what it is. You can't blame the relatively meager influence of Bundesliga on anything that Germany did or did not do in the last 20 centuries.

Really just bait? Shame on you then.

btw, did you really think I was a fascist? Oo what the feck.

And what? Of course you can if you don't want to invalidate your whole argumentation regarding language as a major influence factor.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Right now they should be content to be there after the last season. One of the problems of the last two or three years of the club was that they looked a lot more to Bayern than that they looked to the other opposition. A real rival for Bayern is not build in 2 years. Bayern was not build in two years either. If they stay consistently in the CL ranks etc. we might talk in some years about a real rivalry. There has not been one really since 3 years - not in the league. It took longer in Europe. With Tuchel they have the chance to build up a good team again for the future on the basis of tactics that are better for a big club as they are no underdog anymore.

I agree, and no serious BVB fans expect them to win the Buli title this season or anytime soon. Even Watzke said it is absolutely not realistic or in the plans for BVB to vye for the top spot this year. It will take time for sure. However, I am not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel at all. At best BVB might take a few points away from Bayern when the two meet, I just don't see them repeating their success of between 2010 and 2012. Bayern has become a lot more stronger, too much for BVB or any other team to catch up with. BVB's best chance lies in the CL.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Really just bait? Shame on you then.

btw, did you really think I was a fascist? Oo what the feck.

And what? Of course you can if you don't want to invalidate your whole argumentation regarding language as a major influence factor.

Well, I sensed snippets of German superiority in your arguments from time to time, maybe it is just me. ;)

Anyway, language is a major factor, is it not? It makes communication/comprehension/marketability much easier if we all speak the same language. No?
 

Sterlingfan2000

Active member
I agree, and no serious BVB fans expect them to win the Buli title this season or anytime soon. Even Watzke said it is absolutely not realistic or in the plans for BVB to vye for the top spot this year. It will take time for sure. However, I am not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel at all. At best BVB might take a few points away from Bayern when the two meet, I just don't see them repeating their success of between 2010 and 2012. Bayern has become a lot more stronger, too much for BVB or any other team to catch up with. BVB's best chance lies in the CL.

Its just not bayern. Other leagues (new TV Desl)will sniff at ur best players too, so it will be almost impossible to catch bayern. The gap will grow more and absolutely destroy the league

Thats the reason why 50+1 Rule must go now before its too late
 

Blaugrana Bull

HiiiPoWeR
@hamad

There should be a 50+1 rule for you. If more than 50% of your posts in here are crying about that damn rule, you will get banned.

1. It makes sense and most people are glad that the 50+1 rule exists.
2. Accept that it will remain.
 

silvia

New member
Every germans humiliated Pep in public media, accusing him of buying spanish players, including Beckenbauer, who said he will leave and german manager will come soon. now old Beckenbauer realized the briliance of Pep and urges him to renew the contract. what a comedy. :lol:
 
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Ryu Hayabusa

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Well, I sensed snippets of German superiority in your arguments from time to time, maybe it is just me. ;)

Anyway, language is a major factor, is it not? It makes communication/comprehension/marketability much easier if we all speak the same language. No?

Just because I defend my colors (nation and club) when I see them wronged on the internet, makes me a Nazi? You are welcome to call me a German Justice Warrior (see, coined a new term right there... :p [based on the Social Justice Warrior concept ofc]), but a feckin Nazi? Oo
Luft, I like you, but maybe you should really check your own prejudices.
 
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diDi7

Member
I was guilty of having certain prejudices regarding the incoming flux of Spanish players under Guardiola. Looking back, I think it was justified, but also an overreaction. Spain produce some of the best talents in the world currently, and it shows. Then again, Germany aren't void of these talents either. However, maybe, just maybe, these Spanish players Pep buys are best suited to his tactics. It's not that he's buying Spanish just for the sake of it, which was my initial concern. I've come to appreciate the talents of Spanish footballers much more since then. They are extremely special, IMO, the best in the world. Germany is close, but Spain has the edge.

Of course I'd still prefer Bayern to have the best German talents, but if they don't fit the system, I hope they can play for the best European clubs. As long as the national team gets players with great club football experience.
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
Just because I defend my colors (nation and club) when I see them wronged on the internet, makes me a Nazi? You are welcome to call me a German Justice Warrior (see, coined a new term right there... :p [based on the Social Justice Warrior concept ofc]), but a feckin Nazi? Oo
Luft, I like you, but maybe you should really check your own prejudices.

What prejudices, Ryu? I was mostly joking with the Nazi connotation stuff, you know how Germany was busy saving the mankind etc. comment that prompted my comment. GJW sounds like a drugstore's name, too cheap. :p

Anyway, the premise of my argument was not wrong, was it? That language helps?
 

Luftstalag14

Culé de Celestial Empire
I was guilty of having certain prejudices regarding the incoming flux of Spanish players under Guardiola. Looking back, I think it was justified, but also an overreaction. Spain produce some of the best talents in the world currently, and it shows. Then again, Germany aren't void of these talents either. However, maybe, just maybe, these Spanish players Pep buys are best suited to his tactics. It's not that he's buying Spanish just for the sake of it, which was my initial concern. I've come to appreciate the talents of Spanish footballers much more since then. They are extremely special, IMO, the best in the world. Germany is close, but Spain has the edge.

Of course I'd still prefer Bayern to have the best German talents, but if they don't fit the system, I hope they can play for the best European clubs. As long as the national team gets players with great club football experience.

diDi my friend, what you mentioned above is actually one of those things that turn me off about some foreign Bayern fans and Bayern at large, that they are so fixated on the idea of FC Germany and the German-ness if you will, of the club. We talked about this on BZ before so I will cut it short. You just don't see the same level of zeal with other clubs' fanbase, not even other German clubs. I mean I have frequented some BVB forums (small but they do exist) I personally have never seen people expressing concerns such as "oh we have too many Polish players", "not enough Germans" etc.

I understand those fans of NT teams but when it comes to clubs, who cares? As long as the club stays true to its identity (not necessarily an ethnic one but more of a philosophical one, how it deals with everything on and off the field etc.) and competitive, who cares what nationality the squad consists of?
 
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Ryu Hayabusa

Guest
What prejudices, Ryu? I was mostly joking with the Nazi connotation stuff, you know how Germany was busy saving the mankind etc. comment that prompted my comment. GJW sounds like a drugstore's name, too cheap. :p

Anyway, the premise of my argument was not wrong, was it? That language helps?

No, it wasn't wrong, which is why I even made the comment regarding why German is not as widely spoken around the globe as it should ( ;) ).
btw, deciding the fate of the various forms of Christianity is not exactly equal to "saving mankind", I'd say. I was refering to the 30 years war. If you don't know much about it, it was the biggest religious war in the history of mankind which was fought on German soil, costing the German populace more than World War 1 and 2 combined, in relation to the overall populace even much more.

Anyways, just found it weird to be called a Nazi based on my previous comments here on these boards. I was used to being called a Kraut Swine and Nazi everytime I had wooped the floor with some Americans or British in Call of Duty 4 (which happened A LOT) back in the day, which made it even more fun, but here? Now? By YOU?
Why Brutus, why?
 

diDi7

Member
diDi my friend, what you mentioned above is actually one of those things that turn me off about some foreign Bayern fans and Bayern at large, that they are so fixated on the idea of FC Germany and the German-ness if you will, of the club. We talked about this on BZ before so I will cut it short. You just don't see the same level of zeal with other clubs' fanbase, not even other German clubs. I mean I have frequented some BVB forums (small but they do exist) I personally have never seen people expressing concerns such as "oh we have too many Polish players", "not enough Germans" etc.

I understand those fans of NT teams but when it comes to clubs, who cares? As long as the club stays true to its identity (not necessarily an ethnic one but more of a philosophical one, how it deals with everything on and off the field etc.) and competitive, who cares what nationality the squad consists of?

I understand what you are saying, but when you look at other German clubs, the Germans are well represented, so they don't really have something to complain about, if that were something that would concern them. The issue I have isn't strictly an ethnic one. For example, I'd rather have half a squad of world class foreigners and half a squad of world class Germans than a whole squad of okayish Germans. As a fan of Bayern and the German National Team, I want to see the same players plying their trade at Bayern represent Germany at the biggest stage of international football. I'd like to imagine my preference as unique, since it's one of a dual Bayern and DFB idealism. If a Russian, born in Japan, with German grandparents, grew up in Canada, played for Bayern AND decided to represent Germany - I would want that motherfucker to play for Bayern if he were a starter in the national team.

It's simply a personal preference. My biggest concern was Pep acquiring Spanish players simply because they were Spanish, while similar German talents were available. I hope this post isn't misunderstood.

For this very reason it was pretty concerning seeing Kroos leaving. And then Basti, while we bought the very first Spanish player (and then 4 more!) only a couple of years ago. You understand why I became suspicious? Barca were integral to the success of Spain's triumphs; and in the same way Germany's backbone consisted of Bayern players when they won the World Cup. I fucking loved that. So yeah, I'd be a happier fan of Kroos if he were a starter at FCB and DFB, as opposed to RM and DFB. It's a silly little thing, but we had it so good that I took it for granted.

As for the foreign part of it, as my grandfather was German, I feel a little German myself. The culture, the people, the language etc. I feel a part of that. So, I can understand why it's weird seeing foreign fans raging over the same issue.
 

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