serghei
Senior Member
Cesc is about as good a replacement for Xavi as you can find now on the market (and that's available of course).
Cesc Fàbregas
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Cesc is about as good a replacement for Xavi as you can find now on the market (and that's available of course).
DonAK
President of FC Barcelona
No, it's not.
serghei
Senior Member
Yes, he is. Come up with some other names if you think he's not.
Neal Faradinho
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Gündogan, Thiago, Verratti, Modric, Kroos and Pjanic are all much more suited to the "Xavi" role than Cesc.
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Flavia
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Why do you live in denial about this? Is it because it's hard for you to accept Cesc was the one who left the club, again? Cesc decided to leave before the season ended, he was the one wanting to go. He made a personal request to bartomeu, so he could go as fast as possible. Lucho had nothing to do with this. Cesc himself said this many times. Zubi and co suck, but this one is not on them.
And with Lucho's way of playing, Cesc'd be having his worst season ever here. Anyway, the problem wasn't him going, but not getting a suitable Xavi replacement, like Kroos.
serghei
Senior Member
Gundogan is a risk signing for any club. One more back injury and he could be done. Thiago knees are made of glass. Modric is untransferable, we missed Kroos and Pjanic is good but Cesc is better. Out of that list only Modric is better.
There is no denial. Cesc wanted to leave because he felt he wasn't wanted. It was clear as day. It was the club's fault, and another proof the board is useless. Of course someone wants to leave when he gest bad signals from the club. He also wanted to leave in 2013 probably, but Tata Martino trusted him and he stayed. Once Tata was gone, Cesc left too, because the man who supported him wasn't there anymore.
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Flavia
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There is the denial. Cesc decided to leave after the cdr final(April 14th). Tata was still here, and there was still a month of liga left. It was his own decision. He jumped ship before, and did it again. I really don't get why is so hard for you to accept he made that decision himself. He almost left the previous summer too, but decided to stay at least one more season to see how things would unfold, after Thiago was sold.
Ursegor
World Champion
Why is this getting bumped? He never contributed against parked busses and organized defenses. Some full extended HD highlights from last season to freshen the memories?
1 backheel flick and 1 long range shot - that's his contribution in all Barca chances. Nothing Rakitic can't do. He wasn't playing "out of position", the favourite excuse. It was Pedro-Messi-Alexis upfront and Busquets-Xavi-Fabregas in midfield. His supposed optimal position. This video is also a great showcase why Montoya sucks by the way, but that's a different story.
Same setup against Espanyol away when Barca was veeery lucky to win 1-0 with that funny handball penalty. Neymar instead of Alexis this time. Almost 0 involvement in any chances, 1 backheel flick to Messi and 1 minute later he loses the ball to facilitate an Espanyol counterattack. Xavi is so much more involved in chance creation, just WATCH it. Even Iniesta does more 5 minutes after coming on and playing the ball over the top for Messi to chase only for Kiko Casilla to handball it outside the box and get himself sent off. This video is also a great showcase why Alves is still starting games for Barcelona rightfully by the way, but that's a different story.
I can go on and on, similar stories against Granada, Elche, Osasuna, Valladolid. All lost points away from home last season when teams deny space. All games where he didn't do anything.
It's so easy to look at his assist statistics and pretend that he's a world class chance creator but in reality he only created chance gallore in open games that Barca would win anyway. Levante 7-1, Valencia last season when they were playing a ridiculous high line, Rayo Vallecano who play harakiri football all the time, Real Betis who pushed their backline to the center circle when Pedro assisted himself from ... the center circle. That's the type of games where he racked up those glorious stats. In games where Barca was denied space he didn't contribute. Never. So this is the wrong time to bump the thread I'm afraid. Maybe if Barca lose against Rayo Vallecano we can cry for Cesc.
1 backheel flick and 1 long range shot - that's his contribution in all Barca chances. Nothing Rakitic can't do. He wasn't playing "out of position", the favourite excuse. It was Pedro-Messi-Alexis upfront and Busquets-Xavi-Fabregas in midfield. His supposed optimal position. This video is also a great showcase why Montoya sucks by the way, but that's a different story.
Same setup against Espanyol away when Barca was veeery lucky to win 1-0 with that funny handball penalty. Neymar instead of Alexis this time. Almost 0 involvement in any chances, 1 backheel flick to Messi and 1 minute later he loses the ball to facilitate an Espanyol counterattack. Xavi is so much more involved in chance creation, just WATCH it. Even Iniesta does more 5 minutes after coming on and playing the ball over the top for Messi to chase only for Kiko Casilla to handball it outside the box and get himself sent off. This video is also a great showcase why Alves is still starting games for Barcelona rightfully by the way, but that's a different story.
I can go on and on, similar stories against Granada, Elche, Osasuna, Valladolid. All lost points away from home last season when teams deny space. All games where he didn't do anything.
It's so easy to look at his assist statistics and pretend that he's a world class chance creator but in reality he only created chance gallore in open games that Barca would win anyway. Levante 7-1, Valencia last season when they were playing a ridiculous high line, Rayo Vallecano who play harakiri football all the time, Real Betis who pushed their backline to the center circle when Pedro assisted himself from ... the center circle. That's the type of games where he racked up those glorious stats. In games where Barca was denied space he didn't contribute. Never. So this is the wrong time to bump the thread I'm afraid. Maybe if Barca lose against Rayo Vallecano we can cry for Cesc.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
He decided to leave as never given the trust of anyone at the club. That is the clubs error.
Undoubtedly Cesc would walk into the current Barca midfield and probably be the best midfielder at the club.
Huge error to not treat him better or make him feel more wanted. He was always just a third cog behind Xavi and Iniesta in a team that would only play in the way those two like it to be played.
Cesc got poorer in second half of season as this is when the coaches used him in CM less and almost always behind Iniesta and Xavi in the pecking order.
Ursegor
World Champion
If Tata didn't TRUST him and Lucho didn't WANT him and no one at the club ever understood how he should be used correctly how does he suddenly walk into the team and perform miracles in that parallel universe of yours? You can live in your "ifs" and "buts" universe where his surroundings just need to be catered for him perfectly for him to start GOATing. I live in the real world where for the first time in my live I've wittnessed a Catalan player getting booed in Camp Nou for playing like dog shit for 3 seasons straight.
The only scenario where Fabregas would start delivering is Mourinhoball. Get the defensive line 40 yards deeper, give the opponent possession, when the opponent loses possession let Fabregas spray long balls to the forward line that is sprinting towards the box. Any sort of controlled possession play and he's useless. Whose fault was it that he got dropped in the Euro qualifier game after losing to Slovakia where he stunk up the place? Xavi preventing him from GOATing?
Funny how everyone accepts that Diego Costa isn't suited to possession football and stinks up the place for Spain because it's so obvious. But with Fabregas who is exactly the same people are still in denial.
CatalinR10
Senior Member
fabregas would be the same if he returned back - a waste of a good player. He wouldn't do shit against parked busses in tight spaces and this thing is and was obvious for hiss full time at Barca.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
Plenty of time Cesc did well against parked buses.
He was second to only Messi in goals/assists when he was at the club.
He is playing against parked buses every week for Chelsea now and is one of if not the most creative CM in europe.
JamDav1982
Senior Member
If Tata didn't TRUST him and Lucho didn't WANT him and no one at the club ever understood how he should be used correctly how does he suddenly walk into the team and perform miracles in that parallel universe of yours? You can live in your "ifs" and "buts" universe where his surroundings just need to be catered for him perfectly for him to start GOATing. I live in the real world where for the first time in my live I've wittnessed a Catalan player getting booed in Camp Nou for playing like dog shit for 3 seasons straight.
The only scenario where Fabregas would start delivering is Mourinhoball. Get the defensive line 40 yards deeper, give the opponent possession, when the opponent loses possession let Fabregas spray long balls to the forward line that is sprinting towards the box. Any sort of controlled possession play and he's useless. Whose fault was it that he got dropped in the Euro qualifier game after losing to Slovakia where he stunk up the place? Xavi preventing him from GOATing?
Funny how everyone accepts that Diego Costa isn't suited to possession football and stinks up the place for Spain because it's so obvious. But with Fabregas who is exactly the same people are still in denial.
Cesc doesnt fail in possession play.
Chelsea at home have as much of the ball as anyone and Cesc and so did Arsenal before that and at both clubs he has been the most important player.
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