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Madrid have already a better option Mesut Ozil. They do not need Fabregas. Fabregas can not be a starter in this Madrid team. He is an overrated Arsenal midfielder. Look at Cazorla you can understand that easily.
Cesc Fàbregas
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Madrid have already a better option Mesut Ozil. They do not need Fabregas. Fabregas can not be a starter in this Madrid team. He is an overrated Arsenal midfielder. Look at Cazorla you can understand that easily.
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Overrated how? Cesc can be a starter in any team.
Stric
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The only team Cesc would ever have problems being a starter in is Barca. Because Barca has Xavi and Iniesta, the two very best midfielders of this generation. And Spain, for the same reason. In any other team he'd be the automatic first choice for an attacking midfielder. The same goes for Thiago.
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Youngie
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Sure but It's safe to say that Cesc is a starter for Barça. He's kind of "restricted" in his midfield role though...
ZenI
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Honestly, must be confusing to play as a midfielder in Barca lately because of Messi dropping deep and no one making any runs through/behind defenders. So what if Xavi is the undisputed master of passing/assisting when he only plays 5-10m passes sideways. The same goes for Cesc, some of you say he is slow - why hurry if everybody is playing in midfield, it's not like he didn't see Villa, Pedro, Messi or Sanchez make a great run and missed the opportunity. Cesc bad form coincided with the teams bad form, easy as - the tactics is off.
Vapor
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I agree. Well said. Keeping possession and all is fine, but at some point you HAVE to make passes up front to forwards to score. Messi can't work 1-2's and score EVERY single game. This is where Fabregas comes in and where he is so proficient... when he has targets that is.
(I'm not saying Iniesta and Thiago can't do this as well, but Fabregas is undeniably one of our best in that aspect of our game/midfield: putting forwards through on runs with beautiful through balls)
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BerkeleyBernie
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But the wide forwards are instructed to stay wide, I suppose with the intent of giving Messi more space. And Messi won't make those through runs himself, he only wants to play 1-2 up the middle, usually dropping far back to midfield and leaving the center vacant.
If Messi is to stay center forward, then the wide forwards must be given freedom to ALSO attack the middle with through runs, preferably between the CBs and fullbacks. The width isn't giving Messi more space, because the fullbacks stay center unless a wide forward starts to dribble at them with the ball. If a wide forward makes a run between the CB and FB, there is the potential to drag one or both, and then Messi will be able to attack a less solid defense.
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Besiktas
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He can not start in Madrid. Ozil is far better than him.
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Besiktas
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Yes we can see this fact in every classico clearly.
Yeah because you can judge and compare players by only looking on a few games.
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Besiktas
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Because of a few games? Barca has lost major titles in order to integrate Fabregas to the team. Is he a better false nine than Messi? NO. Is he a better MC than Xavi? NO. Is he a better AMC than Iniesta? NO.
So what? Let's play Iniesta as LWF and lose CL.
I am really bored with this Cesc saga. Nothing even Messi is not important than FC Barcelona. And this team has an amazing generation nowadays. Having Xavi, İniesta and Messi (all of them are top 10 all time footballers) together in the same team is a chance which can occur in a 30 years cycle. Once upon a time Milan had this chance. Now, it is our turn. And our management is fucking this generation by making experiments.
Barca do not need Cesc. Barca did not need Cesc. Barca will not need Cesc until İniesta or Messi retire. So why are we trying to integrate him to the team.
The strategy should be simple. Core is Messi-Xavi-İniesta. Let's find suitable players around them. If we need Neymar, let's buy. If we need Falcao, let's buy. If we need Bale, let's buy. If we need Thiago Silva, let's buy. (I do not say that let's buy all of them)
But our management buys Cesc, Alexis, Song, Mascherano. All of them are experiments. Actually all of them are because of Pep. In the last year, he try to innovate. However, we already were perfect. All we need was a world class DC (Thiago Silva), a world class finisher (Aguero or Falcao).
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Because of this ownership, we lost la liga classico at home last year with calma calma celebirations in our home. Because of this ownership, we lost copa del rey to Real in our home.
So how many classicos has passed since our last victory? Do you remember? How many classicos did we win after Fabregas arrival?
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