City would have not won anything if in same league as Bayern these past few years.
Suddenly City have gone from fucking terrible English team on here to one that has actually been very strong. Just because they are in Barcas group.
Let's not get into the would have, or would have not, because that is pure speculation. City has a better record in CL than Dortmund since 2013. That is simply the truth, not speculation.
City was weak last season comparing with Barcelona, Bayern, Real Madrid, Atletico and even Juventus. Comparing City with these teams is one thing, comparing them to Dortmund is another matter. I don't see how saying City is the weakest semifinalist from last season, and saying they are better and bigger than Dortmund is a contradiction.
Athletico did loose crucial players. Quick thinking and names such as Turan, Falcao, Filipe Luis and Diego Costa pop up recently. Basically you have 2 arguments. 1. Financials, which is true but seemingly overrated here because they spend 200m per year, like United, but didnt do much so far. 2. 6 bad months by Dortmund, the EL season as a result of that. They moved on.
If I were to make a combined 11 of both teams.
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Having money is not overrated. It means you get to keep your best players because you don't need to sell to finance yourself. Vital argument. If Dortmund had City's financial power they would've been immense. Bayern is the only german team from which City can't buy from, because they rival City financially. The rest are weaker than City, so they can't keep their players. Schalke sold their best player to City, Dortmund sold their best midfielder to City, Wolfsburg sold their best player to City. I trust you can see the trend in this. City can buy whatever player they want from Bundesliga as long as it doesn't play for Bayern. Why? Because the only really big club from Germany at the moment is Bayern Munich.
This is how things stand, like it or not. Only Bayern are big enough in Bundesliga to match City's power.
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I have 8 from City and 3 from Dortmund.
And about those 6 months from Dortmund, it goes to show how important it is to be consistent. Play half a year like garbage and you finish 7th. Should that be excused? No. Let me tell you something, Dortmund being 18th of 20 teams after 20 games in Bundesliga in 2014-15 is more embarassing than anything City did in the last 4-5 years. And some here said City reaching a CL semifinal is being hilariously bad in Europe. How about being in danger of relegation in Germany after more than half a season has passed? I'd say that's being "hilariously bad".