Champions League 2024-25

Who will win?


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companyofcules

Well-known member
This is abominal. Even if it did scratch the boot, you just cant dissallow penalty in those circumstances. Its pure evil. Its not like he had advantage with doing that. Dude slipped and by the look of it it didnt change direction, anything. Messi in world cup was clear 2 touch penalty.
There is no rule for scraping. You can't get it from the context of the law or the literal interpretation of the law. They might think there is a law since refs and football lawyers are not extracted from the brightest places and their bosses want exactly that, laws that can be used in need.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
You don't understand that the opponent is bad because of the AM approach on the game. Against City, the same opponent created chances for fun. Can't put it in any simpler terms.

City have been awful this season.

When did Madrid played well against a good opponent this season?
Trashed by Barca multiple times, dunked by Pool, even lost to Milan at home.
And could not even beat Pathetico, who are their bitch historically

Get a grip and stop being biased in favor of Simeone's shitball
 

Birdy

Senior Member
You tend to play poorly offensively if you face a top tier defensive unit in adverse conditions. Barcelona under Pep also happened to play poorly vs Inter in 2010 at home, or MSN Barca in 2016 vs Simeone (0-2). Peak Klopp also happened to play poorly offensively on their ground in 2020 (0-1). Or Pep's City in 2021 I think (0-0). Notice the 0 for conceded goals by Atletico at home vs those elite teams. There's a simple logical connection as to the reason that happens. It's not because those teams are off form on that night out of some random event.

0 sense again

Inter were a top team in the football of 2010, much better than all iterations Simeone had.
They could kill you on the break with Etoo Milito Sneider.

All the 'great games' you mention by Simeone at home against these sides have a 2nd leg away when they were trashed big time, and even in the cases they qualified (like against pool 2020) should have been eliminated based on chances

You have a thing for Simeone, which is inexplicable
 

Rory

Senior Member
Must be weird being an Atletico fan. You know that winning the league is overachieving given the competition and that would have been such a great feeling to win it twice in recent memory. At the same time they must be left wanting more in moments Atletico are capable of it. To revert to such negativity despite having brilliantly techincal players just seems a bit daft.

Real Madrid are there for the taking this year, and yes you could argue getting to penalties is hardly a poor result. And they only reached it due to Vinicius taking the worst penalty ever. But then that's why England under Southgate failed. Simeone would rather leave the result of a game down to a coin toss as opposed to dying by your own sword.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
Simeone thinking has definitely stop atleti from winning 1 CL.

But getting to 2 finals, losing one on Penalties.

I don't know how many SF.

2 league titles and pushing the top 2 in La Liga.

You can't talk too badly about him.
 

FC B

Senior Member
"There are 30 in-stadium cameras that are used in the semi-automated offside system, and they may have helped to determine the “kick-point” of Alvarez, but Miguel Delaney posted on social media: “UEFA saying it is just VAR - so using replays - to confirm double-touch on a penalty No sensors used, or other tech”.

Source: goal.com

So the goal was dissallowed in under a minute only by visual replays in the VAR room, no sensor in the ball bullshit no nothing, such a clear day robbery, it reminds me of the Bayern - Madrid monumental theft.
 

jamrock

Senior Member
"There are 30 in-stadium cameras that are used in the semi-automated offside system, and they may have helped to determine the “kick-point” of Alvarez, but Miguel Delaney posted on social media: “UEFA saying it is just VAR - so using replays - to confirm double-touch on a penalty No sensors used, or other tech”.

So the goal was dissallowed in under a minute only by visual replays in the VAR room, no sensor in the ball bullshit no nothing, such a clear day robbery, it reminds me of the Bayern - Madrid monumental theft.

If this is true, that's bullshit

I thought it was var, no reply can definitively say he touched the ball, if everyone would be in agreement.

If it's 50/50, the decision on the fail stands.

It needs to be clear and obvious.
 

FC B

Senior Member
If this is true, that's bullshit

I thought it was var, no reply can definitively say he touched the ball, if everyone would be in agreement.

If it's 50/50, the decision on the fail stands.

It needs to be clear and obvious.

I took the info from goal.com but saw it in The Independent and New York Times too.

It is unacceptable, Madrid sems like it just teleported back to the days of no VAR when they did absolutely what they wanted in terms of refereeings just like they did in 2016-2018 era.
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Simeone thinking has definitely stop atleti from winning 1 CL.

But getting to 2 finals, losing one on Penalties.

I don't know how many SF.

2 league titles and pushing the top 2 in La Liga.

You can't talk too badly about him.

As I have explained in the past, for me it's
1) Simeone 2011-2016 or so
2) Simeone post-2016

early Simeone deserves huge credit for raising so much the floor of a club like Atletico and doing wonders against the big boys on a tiny budget, despite his ultra-defensive ugly football. Deserved also the 2014 CL IMO (not the 2016 one, where Pep's bayern should have won it)

But after that lost 2016 final, Simeone started recycling himself and his old ideas without any innovation, and that was especially at a time where football was changing at fast pace: Klopp ball, Pep's evolution at city, most teams introducing pressing and intensity, etc.

He could not keep up with the changes, he never renewed himself and his ideas, so he became a caricature of his old self, and turned Atletico into Pathetico! Since then he only won the 2021 LL title by pure luck [a season where Madrid were terrible and Barca were in huge reconstruction (and still Barca under Koeman were better and deserved to win it) and both handed themselves the title to Simeone in the last 5-6 matchdays]

He is keeping his team back and bottom line he is keeping the club back. Atleti hierarchy should have grown a pair, thanked him for what he did for them, and should have gone for a top coach with a mind geared according to the modern game.
 

MonteCuler

Well-known member
None of these angles proves anything and they are all controversial to say the least.

To think guys in the VAR room actually were sure that he touched the ball, having so little time and so shit angles to determine is pure lunacy

What happened is they saw it's unbelievably close and just gave the decision in Madrid's favour, because that's easier and less people will complain

This is the reality, that no number of vague controversial angles can change. Nothing here is clear, especially not to make a decision so fast and of such weight.

Atletico got massively robbed last night, there is no doubt
 

Birdy

Senior Member
Opta's Supercomputer updated predictions to win CL:

Barcelona 20.4 %
PSG 19.3 %
Arsenal 16.8 %
Inter 16.4 %
Madrid 13.6 %
Bayern 9.7 %
 

Porque

Senior Member
Already been posted but people probably missed it


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